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    :'''''“I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you.”''''' - Friedrich Nietzsche


    <div style="border-bottom:2px #B87333 solid; text-align:left; padding:1px; margin:1px;"><font color='#800000' size='+1'>'''Was William Branham Honest? (Part 1)'''.</font>  </div>
    For those who have been in the message for long, to question the honesty of William Branham appears almost blasphemous.  But the Bible says that we are to discern all things and, in particular, those that claim to be prophets are to be judged (1 Cor 2:15, 1 Cor 14:29) and those in leadership in the church are held to a high standard (Titus 1:6-8, 1 Tim. 3:2-9).


    <mediaplayer width='800' height='600'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raWhgy6649o</mediaplayer>
    :'''''“If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything.”''''' ― Mark Twain
     
    =Questions regarding William Branham's Honesty=
    '''A person making things up tries to make himself look good. But someone trying to honor the one who sent him sticks to the facts and doesn’t tamper with reality.'''<ref>Eugene H. Peterson, The Message: The Bible in Contemporary Language (Colorado Springs, CO: NavPress, 2005), Jn 7:18.</ref>
     
    {{Credibility Questions}}
     
    =The Biblical standard=
     
    Proverbs 14:5 states:
     
    :''A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.<ref>The Holy Bible: King James Version, Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version. (Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 2009), Pr 14:5.</ref>
     
    '''If''' William Branham told lies, that would make him a false witness, according to the Bible.
     
    Revelation 3:14 tells us:
     
    :''And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God...<ref>The Holy Bible: King James Version, Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version. (Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 2009), Re 3:14.</ref>
     
    '''Could William Branham be the messenger to the Laodicean church if he was not honest?  If he was a false witness?'''


    =Problems with William Branham's Credibility=
    =Problems with William Branham's Credibility=
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    Was William Branham honest?  If he can be shown to have distorted the truth or if his stories are constantly changing over time such that they vary significantly from their first telling, this would cast doubt on virtually everything that he said.  The following list contains issues that raise questions regarding his honesty and truthfulness. Some of these concerns have only recently come to light but they are now sufficient in number that they should raise genuine concern on the part of anyone who is a follower of William Branham.
    Was William Branham honest?  If he can be shown to have distorted the truth or if his stories are constantly changing over time such that they vary significantly from their first telling, this would cast doubt on virtually everything that he said.  The following list contains issues that raise questions regarding his honesty and truthfulness. Some of these concerns have only recently come to light but they are now sufficient in number that they should raise genuine concern on the part of anyone who is a follower of William Branham.


    ==[[Congressman Upshaw]]==
    Initially William Branham's retelling of the story of [[Congressman Upshaw]]'s healing was in basic agreement with the story as told by the Congressman himself.  However, it changed over time to become something that bore absolutely no resemblance to what actually happened.  How many other stories that William Branham told were also wildly embellished?


    ==[[Roy Davis]]==
    ==[[Roy Davis]]==
    There is a heartbreaking story that is familiar to all followers of William Branham. Bro. Branham first encountered Pentecostal people at a convention in Mishawaka, Indiana. While he was drawn to them and was invited to speak in their churches, he refused to join with them because he listened to his mother-in-law instead of God.  And, as a result, his wife and daughter died as a direct result of his disobedience to God.
    There is a heartbreaking story that is familiar to all followers of William Branham. Bro. Branham first encountered Pentecostal people at a convention in Mishawaka, Indiana. While he was drawn to them and was invited to speak in their churches, he refused to join with them because he listened to his mother-in-law instead of God.  And, as a result, his wife and daughter died as a direct result of his disobedience to God.


    :But, is this the truth?
    [[Image:1935PenTabAd.png|200px|thumb|right|Pre-1937 Ad for Pentecostal Tabernacle]]
     
    But, is this the truth?
     
    According to [[Roy Davis]] and Douglas Weaver, William Branham attended a Pentecostal church pastored by Roy Davis prior to 1933 when he started his own church. Roy Davis himself says that William Branham received the baptism of the Holy Spirit in his home. This all precedes the death of Hope and Sharon Rose Branham in July 1937.


    [[File:1935PenTabAd.png|200px|thumb|right|Pre-1937 Ad for Pentecostal Tabernacle]]
    The original name of Branham Tabernacle was the Pentecostal Tabernacle.


    According to [[Roy Davis]] and Douglas Weaver, William Branham attended a Pentecostal church pastored by Roy Davis prior to 1933 when he started his own church. Roy Davis himself says that William Branham received the baptism of the Holy Spirit in his home. This all precedes the death of Hope and Sharon Rose Branham in July 1937.  
    This makes the story of William Branham's story that his wife and daughter died because he rejected the Pentecostal people to be highly suspect.


    ==[[The Cloud]]==
    ==[[The Cloud]]==
    :Why did William Branham state that [[The Cloud|the cloud]] was directly above him while he was hunting, when it actually appeared 8 days earlier 200 miles away?  Why did he say that Life Magazine said the cloud appeared at the same place that he was hunting when it clearly didn't?  Why does William Branham state that the pictures in Life Magazine were taken on the day that he heard the blast when they were actually taken over a week earlier?
    Why did William Branham state that [[The Cloud|the cloud]] was directly above him while he was hunting, when it actually appeared 8 days earlier 200 miles away?  Why did he say that Life Magazine said the cloud appeared at the same place that he was hunting when it clearly didn't?  Why does William Branham state that the pictures in Life Magazine were taken on the day that he heard the blast when they were actually taken over a week earlier?
     
    ==The Explanation for His Poor Grammar==
    :Why did William Branham speak such poor English?  His explanation, as contained on the video above, was that when he was a boy, his father died.  He had ten children to take care of, and  had to work and support his mother and the children.  But his father died when William Branham was 34 years old.  Was he trying to make people feel sorry for him?


    ==[[1933 Ohio River Experience]]==
    ==[[1933 Ohio River Experience]]==
    :Why was there no mention of [[1933 Ohio River Experience|the voice on the Ohio River]] by William Branham prior to 1952?  Why did the books by Gordon Lindsay and Julius Stadsklev make no mention of the voice (both books were written based on information that came from William Branham)?  Why is there no evidence of the newspaper articles that William Branham referred to?  
    Why was there no mention of [[1933 Ohio River Experience|the voice on the Ohio River]] by William Branham prior to 1952?  Why did the books by Gordon Lindsay and Julius Stadsklev make no mention of the voice (both books were written based on information that came from William Branham)?  Why is there no evidence of the newspaper articles that William Branham referred to?  


    ==[[Plagiarism]]==
    ==[[Plagiarism]]==
    [[Plagiarism]] is the act of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own.  Are you aware that William Branham stole multiple messages, doctrines and concepts from other ministers but never properly gave them credit for them.  Are you aware that some of these stolen ideas he said came directly from God or the Angel?
    [[Plagiarism]] is the act of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own.  Are you aware that William Branham stole multiple messages, doctrines and concepts from other ministers but never properly gave them credit for them.  Are you aware that some of these stolen ideas he said came directly from God or the Angel?


    :Why would he do this when God speaks against this practice in Jeremiah 23:30 - ''So I, the LORD, affirm that I am opposed to those prophets who steal messages from one another that they claim are from me.'' (NET)  
    Why would he do this when God speaks against this practice in Jeremiah 23:30 - ''So I, the LORD, affirm that I am opposed to those prophets who steal messages from one another that they claim are from me.'' (NET)  
     
     


    ==[[Prophecy of the Cloud]]==
    ==[[Prophecy of the Cloud]]==
    :On December 23, 1962, William Branham relates [[Prophecy of the Cloud|a vision in which he sees five angels in a constellation]].  One week later, he changed the number to seven.  Why?
    On December 23, 1962, William Branham relates [[Prophecy of the Cloud|a vision in which he sees five angels in a constellation]].  One week later, he changed the number to seven.  Why?
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    ==Video Transcript==
    =Quotes=


    Did William Branham embellish the stories he told, or do his stories accurately represent the events as they happened?
    :''In the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods.


    Let’s look at just one story – here Bro. Branham explains the origins of his hillbilly English… 
    :''It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes."<ref>Adolf Hitler</ref>


    :''He said, "Why, the people that you speak before," said, "you ought to be ashamed of that grammar."
    =Conclusion=


    :''I said, "I am, but it doesn't do me any good. I just don't know no better."
    If you try to say that William Branham was a true and faithful witness, then you aren't following Jesus.  And if you are following Jesus, then you can't follow William Branham. It's one or the other.


    :''And he said... "Well," he said...
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    :''I said, "When I was a boy, my father died. I had ten children to take care of, and I had to work and support my mother and the children. Then since the Lord has sent me out, why, I have--haven't had a chance."  (November 29, 1953 – The Faith that was once delivered).
     
    It’s very clear that his poor English was from a lack of education, which was a direct result of his father passing away when he was a child.
     
    Or is it?  Let’s look at the facts…
     
    William Branham said that his father died at the age of 52:
     
    :''But my father died at fifty-two; drinking killed him.''(January 22, 1956, Junction of Time)
     
    And William Branham said that he was born when his father was 18 years old:
     
    :''...Daddy was eighteen years old; mama was fifteen when I was born, just children.'' (April 15, 1951, Life Story).
     
    So if William Branham was born when his father was 18, then he was 34 years old when his father died at the age of 52 in 1943. 
     
    Let’s call a spade a spade: William Branham did not have poor English because his father died when he was a child.  It’s just not true.
     
    So why did William Branham feel it necessary to invent the story that he was a boy when his Dad died?
     
    Was it to make people feel sorry for him?  Or do you feel that he was being completely honest with this?  If he wasn’t honest regarding his childhood, how do we know he was honest about other things?
     
    And Please don’t get mad at us, we are just letting you know what he said.
     
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    “I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you.” - Friedrich Nietzsche

    For those who have been in the message for long, to question the honesty of William Branham appears almost blasphemous. But the Bible says that we are to discern all things and, in particular, those that claim to be prophets are to be judged (1 Cor 2:15, 1 Cor 14:29) and those in leadership in the church are held to a high standard (Titus 1:6-8, 1 Tim. 3:2-9).

    “If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything.” ― Mark Twain

    Questions regarding William Branham's Honesty

    A person making things up tries to make himself look good. But someone trying to honor the one who sent him sticks to the facts and doesn’t tamper with reality.[1]

    The following is our list of questions related to William Branham's honesty and credibility. Please click on the link to go to a detailed discussion of the question:

    1. Did William Branham visit the graves of Muhammad, Buddha, and Confucius?
    2. Did William Branham visit the Vatican and see the inscription "VICARIVS FILII DEI" above the throne of the Pope?
    3. Did William Branham lie about his prophecy regarding Billy Graham?
    4. Did anyone hear the voice on the Ohio River in 1933?
    5. Did William Branham see a mother eagle carry her babies on her wings?
    6. Why did William Branham say that he was under the cloud when they took its picture, when he clearly wasn't?
    7. Did William Branham travel around the world seven times?
    8. Was William Branham's Bible saved miraculously in the 1937 flood?
    9. Why did the story of the man from Windsor change so drastically over time?
    10. Why did William Branham say that he received his revelations from God when he took many of his doctrines from other men?
    11. Why did William Branham change the story of Congressman Upshaw's healing?
    12. When did William Branham embrace Pentecostalism?
    13. Was Donny Morton really healed?
    14. Did William Branham speak in an unknown tongue that a Finnish woman understood?
    15. Was it reasonable for William Branham to blame his poor grammar on his dad?
    16. Did William Branham prayer for King George VI and was he really healed?
    17. Did William Branham raise a boy from the dead in Finland?
    18. Who was Hope Branham's Nurse?
    19. Was Florence Nightingale the granddaughter of the original Florence Nightingale?
    20. Did the Pillar of Fire really appear above William Branham's head in Houston? Why did other pictures from that evening appear in the newspaper, when he said his picture was the only one that turned out?
    21. Was William Branham truthful about asking Hope's parents for her hand in marriage?
    22. If only sissies wear shorts, why did William Branham wear them?
    23. How could William Branham have allowed Leo Mercer to be part of his ministry?
    24. Did William Branham claim to be a prophet?
    25. Was William Branham born under a Nazarite Vow?
    26. Was William Branham's discernment 100% accurate?
    27. Was William Branham's ministry always 100%?
    28. What was in the cornerstone of Branham Tabernacle?
    29. Why was William Branham dishonest about his son's first marriage?
    30. Why was the vision of the five angels changed to a vision of seven angels?
    31. Why did William Branham say that he was at Sunset Mountain when he was actually at Rattlesnake Mesa?
    32. Why did William Branham make up the story of the Pyramid Box?
    33. Why did William Branham's stories change so radically over time?
    34. Was William Branham really the first fruits of spiritual maturity? The perfect man?
    35. Was the photo from Houston supernatural or just the out of focus picture of a flood light?
    36. Did William Branham see an amber light?
    37. Did William Branham help to launch the ministry of Jim Jones?
    38. Was Marshal Matt Dillon from Gunsmoke a real person?
    39. Is Joseph Branham a prophet?
    40. Was there a Mormon prophecy about William Branham?
    41. Did Danny Henry's prophecy take place?
    42. How did William Branham view himself?
    43. Was William Branham a wealthy man when he died?
    44. If God spoke through William Branham, why did he mess up?
    45. If it was wrong to kill animals for sport, why did William Branham do it?
    46. Why did William Branham deny that he went to movies 3 weeks after admitting that he did?
    47. Why did William Branham criticize those who drove Cadillac's when he owned one?
    48. Why did William Branham criticize women that cut their hair and wore short skirts, when his own family did?
    49. What actually happened to Hattie Wright's boys?
    50. Why did William Branham say he went to William Cowper's grave when he didn't?
    51. Why did William Branham say William Cowper committed suicide when he died of heart failure?
    52. Why did William Branham state the Stephen Foster committed suicide, when this is not true?
    53. Was there really a connection between the Pope visiting israel in 1964 and the lunar eclipse that preceded his visit?
    54. Q&A with a message minister relating to William Branham's credibility

    The Biblical standard

    Proverbs 14:5 states:

    A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.[2]

    If William Branham told lies, that would make him a false witness, according to the Bible.

    Revelation 3:14 tells us:

    And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God...[3]

    Could William Branham be the messenger to the Laodicean church if he was not honest? If he was a false witness?

    Problems with William Branham's Credibility

    We reject all shameful deeds and underhanded methods. We don’t try to trick anyone or distort the word of God. We tell the truth before God, and all who are honest know this. ~ 2 Corinthians 4:2 (NLT)

    Was William Branham honest? If he can be shown to have distorted the truth or if his stories are constantly changing over time such that they vary significantly from their first telling, this would cast doubt on virtually everything that he said. The following list contains issues that raise questions regarding his honesty and truthfulness. Some of these concerns have only recently come to light but they are now sufficient in number that they should raise genuine concern on the part of anyone who is a follower of William Branham.

    Congressman Upshaw

    Initially William Branham's retelling of the story of Congressman Upshaw's healing was in basic agreement with the story as told by the Congressman himself. However, it changed over time to become something that bore absolutely no resemblance to what actually happened. How many other stories that William Branham told were also wildly embellished?

    Roy Davis

    There is a heartbreaking story that is familiar to all followers of William Branham. Bro. Branham first encountered Pentecostal people at a convention in Mishawaka, Indiana. While he was drawn to them and was invited to speak in their churches, he refused to join with them because he listened to his mother-in-law instead of God. And, as a result, his wife and daughter died as a direct result of his disobedience to God.

    Pre-1937 Ad for Pentecostal Tabernacle

    But, is this the truth?

    According to Roy Davis and Douglas Weaver, William Branham attended a Pentecostal church pastored by Roy Davis prior to 1933 when he started his own church. Roy Davis himself says that William Branham received the baptism of the Holy Spirit in his home. This all precedes the death of Hope and Sharon Rose Branham in July 1937.

    The original name of Branham Tabernacle was the Pentecostal Tabernacle.

    This makes the story of William Branham's story that his wife and daughter died because he rejected the Pentecostal people to be highly suspect.

    The Cloud

    Why did William Branham state that the cloud was directly above him while he was hunting, when it actually appeared 8 days earlier 200 miles away? Why did he say that Life Magazine said the cloud appeared at the same place that he was hunting when it clearly didn't? Why does William Branham state that the pictures in Life Magazine were taken on the day that he heard the blast when they were actually taken over a week earlier?

    1933 Ohio River Experience

    Why was there no mention of the voice on the Ohio River by William Branham prior to 1952? Why did the books by Gordon Lindsay and Julius Stadsklev make no mention of the voice (both books were written based on information that came from William Branham)? Why is there no evidence of the newspaper articles that William Branham referred to?

    Plagiarism

    Plagiarism is the act of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own. Are you aware that William Branham stole multiple messages, doctrines and concepts from other ministers but never properly gave them credit for them. Are you aware that some of these stolen ideas he said came directly from God or the Angel?

    Why would he do this when God speaks against this practice in Jeremiah 23:30 - So I, the LORD, affirm that I am opposed to those prophets who steal messages from one another that they claim are from me. (NET)

    Prophecy of the Cloud

    On December 23, 1962, William Branham relates a vision in which he sees five angels in a constellation. One week later, he changed the number to seven. Why?

    Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another. ~ Ephesians 4:25


    Quotes

    In the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods.
    It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes."[4]

    Conclusion

    If you try to say that William Branham was a true and faithful witness, then you aren't following Jesus. And if you are following Jesus, then you can't follow William Branham. It's one or the other.


    Footnotes

    1. ↑ Eugene H. Peterson, The Message: The Bible in Contemporary Language (Colorado Springs, CO: NavPress, 2005), Jn 7:18.
    2. ↑ The Holy Bible: King James Version, Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version. (Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 2009), Pr 14:5.
    3. ↑ The Holy Bible: King James Version, Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version. (Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 2009), Re 3:14.
    4. ↑ Adolf Hitler


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