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QUESTION #2 - Was William Branham a prophet?

We believe that there are many scriptural references to the attributes and characteristics of a prophet of God against which one who proclaims to be God’s prophet is examine. We take this from scripture:

1 John 4:1 (HCSB) 1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to determine if they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

And we act as the Bereans did in the Book of Acts:

Acts 17:10-11 (HCSB) 10 As soon as it was night, the brothers sent Paul and Silas off to Berea. On arrival, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 The people here were more open-minded than those in Thessalonica, since they welcomed the message with eagerness and examined the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.

Of all of the examinations of a prophet of God which may be construed as interpretation or opinion, we know that there are three absolutely objective measures which are backed by scripture, and which will always point to whether someone who proclaims to be a prophet of God, as William Branham did over 400 times in over 1100 sermons, really speaks with God’s authority or whether they are a false prophet. I describe them here:

1) A prophet of God ALWAYS teaches that which aligns with the Word of God.

Deuteronomy 13:1-5 (HCSB) 1 “If a prophet or someone who has dreams arises among you and proclaims a sign or wonder to you, 2 and that sign or wonder he has promised you comes about, but he says, ‘Let us follow other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us worship them,’ 3 do not listen to that prophet’s words or to that dreamer. For the LORD your God is testing you to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and all your soul. 4 You must follow the LORD your God and fear Him. You must keep His commands and listen to His voice; you must worship Him and remain faithful to Him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he has urged rebellion against the LORD your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the place of slavery, to turn you from the way the LORD your God has commanded you to walk. You must purge the evil from you.

2) A prophet of God NEVER lies in God’s name.

Ezekiel 13:1-9 (HCSB) 1 The word of the LORD came to me: 2 “Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who are prophesying. Say to those who prophesy out of their own imagination: Hear the word of the LORD! 3 This is what the Lord GOD says: Woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing. 4 Your prophets, Israel, are like jackals among ruins. 5 You did not go up to the gaps or restore the wall around the house of Israel so that it might stand in battle on the day of the LORD. 6 They see false visions and speak lying divinations. They claim, ‘⌊This is⌋ the LORD’s declaration,’ when the LORD did not send them, yet they wait for the fulfillment of ⌊their⌋ message. 7 Didn’t you see a false vision and speak a lying divination when you proclaimed, ‘⌊This is⌋ the LORD’s declaration,’ even though I had not spoken? 8 “Therefore, this is what the Lord GOD says: I am against you because you have spoken falsely and had lying visions.” ⌊This is⌋ the declaration of the Lord GOD. 9 “My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and speak lying divinations. They will not be present in the fellowship of My people or be recorded in the register of the house of Israel, and they will not enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Lord Yahweh.

3) When a prophet of God speaks a vision or prophecy, that vision or prophecy must ALWAYS come to pass.

Deuteronomy 18:20-22 (HCSB) 20 But the prophet who dares to speak a message in My name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods—that prophet must die.’ 21 You may say to yourself, ‘How can we recognize a message the LORD has not spoken?’ 22 When a prophet speaks in the LORD’s name, and the message does not come true or is not fulfilled, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.

Of the three examinations of a prophet of God, we wish to address first visions or prophecies which do not come to pass, specifically the vision concerning the Municipal Bridge over the Ohio River.

William Branham told of a vision he had as a boy of the construction of a bridge and of its supernatural fulfillment. This story was used to bolster his claim to be a prophet. I was playing marbles out with my little brothers, out in the front yard. And all at once I had a strange feeling come on me. And I stopped and set down aside of a tree. And we were right up on the bank from the Ohio River. And I looked down towards Jeffersonville, and I seen a bridge rise up and go across that, the river, span the river. And I seen sixteen men (I counted them) that dropped off of there and lost their lives on that bridge. I run in real quick and told my mother, and she thought I went to sleep. But they kept it in mind, and twenty-two years from then the Municipal Bridge now (that many of you cross when you cross there) crossed the river at the same place, and sixteen men lost their life building that bridge across the river. It's never failed to be perfectly true. (My Life Story, Los Angeles, April 19, 1959)

From his various retellings of the vision, we can draw the following conclusions about the vision and its fulfillment: • The vision occurred while playing marbles with one or more of his younger brothers when William Branham was a young boy. • William Branham saw the Municipal Bridge being built across the Ohio River between Jeffersonville and Louisville. He clearly identifies it was this specific bridge. • William Branham counted 16 men falling to their deaths from the bridge. He indicated they all drowned. • He saw a sign or heard someone say 22 years. • He told his mother about it and she wrote it down. • Twenty-two years later the municipal bridge was erected and 16 men fell to their deaths and drowned during the construction process just exactly as the Lord had shown William Branham in his vision. However, the only evidence that anyone died during the construction of the municipality bridge is two men who lost their lives in separate incidents: • On Wednesday, June 19, 1929, Richard Pilton died after being hit in the temple with an iron crank. He did not drown. • On September 10, 1929. Lloyd McEwen lost his footing and fell, landing on a barge below the bridge. He did not drown, but rather, died from the injuries caused by his fall. These two deaths were reported on the front page of the Jeffersonville Evening News on June 19, 1929 and September 11, 1929 respectively. The final engineering report on the bridge was delivered by Ralph Modjeski and Frank Masters to the Louisville Bridge Commission in 1930. The report discussed the construction of the bridge and a variety of issues encountered during the construction. There are no mentions of collapsing cranes or spans, and no records of any major failures or catastrophic accidents. The statement of costs does not contain any additional unplanned costs that would be associated with a major accident or collapse. The specifications for the materials used in the bridge were very specific and required industry standard tests to be performed. The report includes the documented test results for these materials and there are no significant defects documented in the test results. In a phone conversation with Pearry Green prior to his death, Pearry told me that William Branham stood underneath the Municipal bridge, and pointed out the exact section of the bridge that fell into the river. This is the reason that Pearry specifically points out on a video (from 32:04 to 35:14 at https://youtu.be/QxJsbVsOUBg ) the exact section of the bridge that William Branham told him fell into the river and which resulted in the deaths of the 16 men. The problem is that a section of the bridge never fell into the river. The bridge was completed on time and on budget. I also tried to confirm the facts relating to the fulfillment of the vision with George Smith, William Branham’s son-in-law. He admitted to me in a private telephone conversation that 16 men did not die during the construction of the municipal bridge. When I asked how he could explain this, his only response was, “I can’t explain it, but I still believe." William Branham stated that this was a prophecy and that his prophecies had never failed. But the evidence points to the failure of this prophetic vision. How can you claim that William Branham was a true prophet of God when this vision clearly failed?

I look forward to hearing back from you.

RESPONSE FROM BM2

Brother BTS2,

You said >>>> We agreed that we would speak directly to William Branham being a prophet of God. I asked this question, and would ask you to respond to it in your good time.

I say......Certainly......and that from either personal experience..... or from close friends and family. My wife's Brother was at the point of death with leukemia. Her parents went to one of the Full Gospel Businessmen's meetings...... here in Phoenix. They slipped out a side door....after Brother Branham had finished speaking and caught Billy Paul and asked if he could have Brother Branham pray for a desperate need. Billy took them to Brother Branham..... as he was getting into the car. He prayed for the special need and then told my wife's mother....don't worry mother...your Boy won't die. They hadn't even told Brother Branham what the exact need was. My wife's Brother...who wasn't even there.....was made well and the astonished doctors were nearly speechless. That's just one thing that identifies a Prophet of GOD.

Florence Shakarian was dying of cancer and Brother Branham saw in a Vision....that it was her time to go .....to be with the LORD and the Vision gave to the minute...when she would pass. In a meeting sometime afterwards in California....after Brother Branham had spoken.....there was a man who claimed to be a prophet named Kenneth Hagin...who stood up before hundreds of people and prophesied that Sister Shakarian would live and not die. She died at exactly the minute that Brother Branham had seen in the Vision. That identifies a Prophet of GOD and shows the other prophet to be a false one.

On scores of occasions.....When dreams with spiritual content of/by individuals....that would trouble them......Brother Branham would tell them the dream that they had....without them telling him the dream...and many times remind them of parts they had left out. Then he would tell them the meaning of the dream and it would come to pass every time....exactly as he told them. That was part of the Biblical Joseph's identification as a Prophet of GOD. This happened to personal friends of mine....scores of cases.

My bosom friend....the late John Martin...lived for some time down the street from me and I sat for many hours with him and he told me of scores of Supernatural experiences....that he had witnessed and that not one time ......did a "Thus Saith The LORD" from William Branham's mouth fail...that he had seen and examined. Events...... like Brothers who were traveling with Brother Branham in separate cars and one would run out of gas in some isolated spot. How Brother Branham would tell someone to get water out of a ditch or some other source and for them to pour the water into the gas tank. The car would start and run perfectly to the destination. Maybe not water into wine...but the need was there and GOD's Prophet stood in the gap. I could write a book on the things that I have seen and experienced...one...of Brother Branham walking into my home church..... just after he preached the Seals. My Sunday school teacher was criticizing Brother Branham's ministry and the Seals teaching. I stayed after the class to pray...because I believed what I had heard on the teaching. They had played the Seals teachings on several consecutive nights previously...as a personal friend of my family....the old prospector John MacAnally .....was sent all the then current teachings of Brother Branham. Just a few minutes after the heated exchange with my Sunday school teacher.....she came busting into the room where I was praying and apologetically tried to tell me....that Brother Branham had just walked in the door. After the service...Brother Branham waited and took my Brother and myself aside. One of the things that he said....I will never forget....STAY WITH THE TAPED MESSAGES! Some of the other things he told me are personal...but it had to be GOD...sending His Prophet...to give instructions and encouragement.... in the face of the critics. These are just a very few of my personal experiences just skimming the surface.... some with those who were there and others I am a personal witness to. NOW....you tell me how the prophets in your church operate. I gave examples of Bible identifications of GOD sent Prophets abilities....such as were demonstrated thousands of times in William Branham's ministry....now you give me examples of your group's prophets operational identification! FAIR ENOUGH? I remember a man criticizing the way we cast out evil spirits...which has been many...many cases over the years. Someone presented the question to the critic. How do you cast them out....to which the critic answered. I don't have that experience. The other Brother then said....If you don't have that experience...then just how can you criticize the way we cast them out.....until you can demonstrate something better.....wisdom dictates..... that you keep your mouth shut...lest you be found fighting against GOD!

Brother BM2

BTS 2 RESPONSE AND CLARIFYING QUESTION

BM2,

I can provide a response which is mercifully short.

In your email, you provide instances where Branham is said to have healed. We think that’s wonderful. But healing by itself does not a prophet make. In fact, we are told that there will be false prophets who will do wonders and miracles:

Matthew 24:24 (HCSB) 24 False messiahs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.

We are also aware that the Holy Spirit gives a Gift of Healing as His Spirit was poured out upon the people in a very broad way. If William Branham had come as a minister of God and not a prophet and had healed, we could be agreeing or disagreeing respectfully about whether we believe he was truly of God and there would be no website, no forum to discuss his ministry.

But William Branham presented himself as THE prophet of God prior to the coming of Christ, not just a minister. And as this is the case, then we examine him as a prophet… his words in his sermons and on his tapes compared against the Word of God.

Branham told us this about another couple of healings which he performed:

September 2, 1953, Sermon: Testimony “Now, look friends, think of King George of England, when he was healed with multiple sclerosis, when we had prayer for him. Think of Florence Nightingale, her grandmother, the founder of the Red Cross, was about sixty pounds of weight, laid dying yonder with a cancer on the duodenal of the stomach, laying there dying. A little dove flew into the bush there and the Spirit of God come and said, "THUS SAITH THE LORD, she shall live." And she weighs a hundred and fifty-five pounds in perfect health.”

Here's the issue with this excerpt from Branham’s sermon… King George VI of England never suffered from MS. And Florence Nightingale, ignoring that she wasn’t the founder of the Red Cross (Clara Barton was), never had children. So, where did the granddaughter come from? Branham claimed, not once, but six times, that he healed both of these people. One from a disease that he never had, and one who never existed. And he spoke with the Authority of God (THUS SAITH THE LORD) when he told this story.

How are God’s people supposed to be confident of what is true and what is not true from William Branham’s sermons when he lied in God’s Name as he delivered them? God is not confused.

Now, we know that God has a zero-tolerance policy for someone who claims to be a false prophet, but whose words “fall to the ground”:

1 Samuel 3:19-20 (KJV) 19 And Samuel grew, and the LORD was with him, and did let none of his words fall to the ground. 20 And all Israel from Dan even to Beersheba knew that Samuel was established to be a prophet of the LORD.

Recalling that the Word of God tells us that a what a prophet proclaims as a vision or a prophecy must always come to pass (Deuteronomy Chapter 18, Verse 20-22), my clarifying question is this:

Because we know that William Branham’s vision of the incident as he told it several times concerning the Municipal Bridge over the Ohio River did not come to pass, and knowing what scripture tells us concerning prophets whose prophecies do not come to pass, how does William Branham qualify as a prophet of God?

BTS 2

RESPONSE

Brother BTS 2,

You said >>>> Branham told us this about another couple of healings which he performed:

September 2, 1953, Sermon: Testimony “Now, look friends, think of King George of England, when he was healed with multiple sclerosis, when we had prayer for him. Think of Florence Nightingale, her grandmother, the founder of the Red Cross, was about sixty pounds of weight, laid dying yonder with a cancer on the duodenal of the stomach, laying there dying. A little dove flew into the bush there and the Spirit of God come and said, "THUS SAITH THE LORD, she shall live." And she weighs a hundred and fifty-five pounds in perfect health.”

Here's the issue with this excerpt from Branham’s sermon… King George VI of England never suffered from MS. And Florence Nightingale, ignoring that she wasn’t the founder of the Red Cross (Clara Barton was), never had children. So, where did the granddaughter come from? Branham claimed, not once, but six times, that he healed both of these people. One from a disease that he never had, and one who never existed. And he spoke with the Authority of God (THUS SAITH THE LORD) when he told this story.

I say......I think your misdirected statement..... that Brother Branham claimed HE HEALED ANYONE is kind of a cheap shot and disrespectful to common sense. He NEVER claimed he healed anyone at any time....IN FACT....he lifted up the name of JESUS CHRIST...more than any of the so called greats of the 50's era...that I was familiar with. As to King George...there were 6 King Georges and the one in the 50's who Brother Branham prayed for....was the 6th. I will tell the story the way it actually happened. There was a man who had multiple sclerosis 10 years and was completely healed in one of Brother Branham's meetings....who knew the secretary of King George the 6th. The man who was healed....told the secretary of his miracle and the secretary...knowing that George the 6th....had what the secretary called multiple sclerosis.... along with several other ailments. George the 6th was a heavy smoker and had many serious health problems.

Factually....as the matter unfolded....the secretary told George the 6th about his friend in the U.S. and his healing. George the 6th then had the secretary contact Brother Branham....who told them that he could not go to England at the time because of scheduled meetings here. In the process of time...Brother Branham went on a scheduled campaign in Finland and made a stop in England...where preparations had been made by Brother Baxter and Bosworth..... the campaign managers...for him to pray for King George the 6th. After landing in England...Brother Branham was told that some relative....probably (Grand niece)...... of Florence Nightingale had been flown in from Africa and was near death. The relationship of the woman WAS NOT RESEARCHED by Brother Branham....but was information supplied by others. Brother Branham didn't whip out his cell phone and google it to see if what he was told was indirect or direct fact. FACT IS....that he couldn't even get through the crowd..... to get to her airplane...so it was arranged for her to be taken to another location to be prayed for. He was taken to that place....prayed for her and she was completely healed. Then he was taken....to pray for George the 6th. King George was healed...according to his own confession....to those present....as was Brother Bosworth's personal testimony. In time...George did die of coronary thrombosis later....because of a failed surgery. We have only the testimony of now dead witnesses....no differently than what is written in Scripture. You or no one else can PROVE the record of 2000 year old written Scripture.....neither can you disprove by innuendo what happened less than 100 tears ago...of which I am a living witness to some of it and am a living witness as to the testimonies by many who were there.

Concerning your claim that your group represents the Gospel of JESUS CHRIST....I take issue with your claim. Let's go to Scripture to see if you and your group..... of destroy William Branham's influence.... meets the criteria of Scriptural requirement to even be qualifies to give an opinion on/about another man's ministry! Just a simple to understand requirement that our LORD JESUS made in Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

The identification of a TRUE BELIEVER is established by the LORD HIMSELF...for the New Testament church and how they could identify the TRUE representative of the Gospel of JESUS CHRIST. That's why I asked you about prophets in your group and the working of the Supernatural in your church.....of destroy William Branham agenda.

Another identification of TRUE representatives of the Gospel...further establishes witness to the TRUE Believer. Acts 4: 29 And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word, 30 By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.

Paul even further cinches how to identify the Believers that are His church. 1Corinthians 2: 1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God. 2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. 3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. 4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: 5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

If your group cannot demonstrate the POWER of the Gospel by the manifestation of the Supernatural....you do not in any way represent the Gospel of JESUS CHRIST! Just in case you fall back on the weak and powerless excuse....that the false church can also do miracles...to which I agree 100%......The problem lies in that if your group cannot demonstrate the supernatural....your group/groups wouldn't even be on par with the false prophets level and that is a SCRIPTURAL FACT!

Brother BM2

BTS addendum

I almost forgot to tell you how it is we are qualified to examine someone’s ministry, someone who proclaims to be a prophet of God… we are EACH OF US INDIVUALLY responsible for our own salvation:

Galatians 6:5-10 (HCSB) 5 For each person will have to carry his own load. 6 The one who is taught the message must share all ⌊his⌋ good things with the teacher. 7 Don’t be deceived: God is not mocked. For whatever a man sows he will also reap, 8 because the one who sows to his flesh will reap corruption from the flesh, but the one who sows to the Spirit will reap eternal life from the Spirit. 9 So we must not get tired of doing good, for we will reap at the proper time if we don’t give up. 10 Therefore, as we have opportunity, we must work for the good of all, especially for those who belong to the household of faith.

And –

Philippians 2:13 (HCSB) 13 For it is God who is working in you, ⌊enabling you⌋ both to desire and to work out His good purpose.

And remember that to which we are exhorted by John the Evangelist:

1 John 4:1 (HCSB) 1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to determine if they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

As we are instructed by God’s Word to be watchful and to understand “His good purpose”, we not only have the authority, but we have the OBLIGATION to examine that which we are told to be sure it places us closer to God’s Word. We are not tired of our obligations.

BTS 2 RESPONSE

Thank you for your thoughtful reply.

I wanted to make sure I gave you some information about which you appear to have a misapprehension. We don’t have a group. The administrators of this page come from many countries, many walks of life, no particular assembly or gathering, and we have no commonality in any way, except that we have all been in the message of William Branham in the past, and discovered that reading the Bible and comparing William Branham’s words to the Bible shows that he is not a prophet of God. We all got to this point from different places, but we all got here to this same place. We aren’t a group, we are just a bunch of people who are dedicated to knowing Christ and helping others to know Him better as well. We all go to different assemblies as we are led in our local areas, and we all worship in different places and in different ways. In the various assemblies and churches in which we worship separately, there are Gifts of the Holy Spirit frequently exhibited. But we don’t collect them into a group event as we aren’t a group. We just worship in different places around the world. So, I wanted to clarify that for you before we address some of the other issues. And this discussion isn’t about us. We don’t claim to be prophets of God. It is Branham who proclaimed over 400 times in over 1100 sermons that he was a prophet of God, the “last sign” as we saw earlier. And we agree that people are healed by God, not by the person who stands before them. But we see here where Branham said that you needed to believe in him in order for the “gift” to be of any value:

“And I want all you dear people, setting out in the audience there, I want you to believe me with all your heart. Now remember, that’s the only way I can help you. How many believes God? Let’s see your hands. How many believes the Son of God? Believes the Holy Spirit? That’s fine. That’s good. But now, friends, you can believe that, which you have to, to be a Christian. You have to believe in God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost in order to be a Christian. But believing that still won’t help you in this gift. You’ve got to believe that I’ve told you the truth, not believe me as Them, but believe that They have sent me for this purpose. Now, you could be a renowned Christian, and fail to believe what I’ve told you to be the truth, and you’d never be able to reap a bit of benefit from it. Now, I’m sorry to have to say that, but it’s the truth. When Jesus was on earth, the people that killed him, believed in God the Father, and were great worshippers of God. Is that right? But He could not help them, because they did not believe in Him. Is that right? And He said with His Own mouth, “As you have believed in God, believe also in Me.” Is that right? Now, if you have believed in God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, I want you to believe that He sent me here to pray for you, and He will testify whether He has or not. And if He testifies, then you believe it.” 50-0713 - "Obey The Voice Of The Angel" So it is Branham himself that tells us that HE is responsible for healing.

We know from scripture that we are to examine what a prophet SAYS against the Word of God. Branham told the stories about the grand daughter of Florence Nightingale more than once. He told the story about healing King George VI of England specifically of MS more than once. This story telling wasn’t an isolated instance where he failed to know details. And now we are being told that Branham wasn’t given the correct information about those who he prayed for, or what diseases they actually had? The notion that a prophet of God who prayed for someone and their healing didn’t know the disease they had, or the impact the prayer had on their life sort of flies in the face of Branham’s claims of discernment doesn’t it? His errors in discernment aren’t isolated to people who he never met. Here, Branham is facing people who came through a prayer line and Branham said this:

“Now, just with your heads bowed just a moment. How long have you been that way? Hear me now? Can you... Amen. Two years...?... You hear? Yes. Amen. He can hear now. Let's say, "Praise the Lord." God bless you now. Go on your road rejoicing and be happy. Amen. [Lady says, "Brother Branham, Brother Branham."] Yes? ["He isn't deaf, he has hardening of the arteries; he can't talk."--Ed.] Can't talk? Well, he's sure doing a good job of it now. He's... Let me see him just a moment. I thought it was your hearing. Can you...?... It was his hearing and his speech. Say, "I" [I] "Love" [Live] "Love," [Love] "Jesus," [Jesus.] Sure you can say it. Say, "Thank You." [Thank you.] All right. It's over now. You can go on rejoicing. All right. Do you believe with all your heart?” THIRSTING.FOR.LIFE_ INDIANAPOLIS.IN 57-0613

AND –

“Now, when He come to Simon, He told him who he was. You believe God can tell me what your name is? Would it make you believe more? It would? Mrs. Strong... [The sister says, "Stout."--Ed.] Stout, would you believe? Go and believe, and you... It's all over. Amen.” A.TESTIMONY.ON.THE.SEA DALLAS.TX 64-0307

These are just two of many many many examples of where Branham didn’t get it correct. And there are too many to recount here.

Ministers of his day also had reservations about Branham’s ministry and voiced them:

“...Mr. Branham pronounced her healed. Again there was much rejoicing. I remember that the pastor handed me a cheque of a sizable sum of money to pass on to Mr. Branham. As he did so, he remarked that he couldn't afford to give that much, but that Mr. Branham deserved it because his wife was now healed, and he had spent thousands of dollars on doctors that didn't help her. It was several weeks later... when in the vicinity of this pastor's home city, I made inquiry as to his wife's state of health, only to be told that she too had passed away. What a blow that must have been to that dear brother? But that was not all. I was told that he had a good radio ministry in his city. When he had returned from the healing meetings in Saskatoon, he announced over his radio broadcast that his wife had been wonderfully healed. However, just a short while after that he had to inform his radio audience that his wife had died. I was told that it dealt a severe blow to his radio ministry. My friends, what kind of a testimony is this to the world? To them it "does not add up." And there is something wrong! Did this pastor's faith fail? Let me ask, did this sort of thing happen to those who were healed by the Lord Jesus or by His apostles? Where, then, is it recorded? As Christians we sometimes think that we're "charitable" if we overlook these things, but is this real "charity" or love? Is it loving to permit this type of thing to be carried on in our churches, to the needless suffering, agony, disappointment, and expense of the sick? And more importantly, is it scriptural not to deal with the false, the counterfeit?”

Alfred Pohl's entire testimony is available from the Berean Research Institute

AND –

Walter Hollenweger, a noted Pentecostal historian who worked as translator for Branham in one of his campaigns in Switzerland, wrote of Branham:

“He possessed an extraordinary diagnostic gift and could identify the illnesses (sometimes even the names) of persons he had never seen. Unfortunately, his healing prognosis was accurate only in rare cases. The excuse of healing evangelists in such cases has always been: The patient did not really believe; for they were convinced that faith leads automatically to health.” Hollenweger, Walter J. (1997). Pentecostalism: Origins and Developments Worldwide. Baker Academic. ISBN 978-0801046605.

Hollenwegger also stated that however generously Branham is judged:

“...it must be admitted that his sermons were not merely simple, but often naive as well, and that by contrast to what he claimed, only a small percentage of those that sought healing were actually healed."

There were men who were contemporaries of Branham, and who actually saw him. And these are not the only ministers who spoke out against what they saw in Branham’s campaigns.

The written and spoken testimonies in this same direction concerning Branham’s healing is powerful and voluminous. But even if Branham was correct the vast majority of the time, and even if these people were actually healed, healing does not a prophet make.

We know for instance that God expects that His prophets do not teach that which is not aligned with scripture.

So, let’s look at that for a moment. William Branham said this:

“God's wrote three Bibles: one, the Zodiac, one in the pyramids, one on paper. Now, He's writing His first, the Zodiac. It starts off with a virgin, ends up with Leo the lion: Jesus' first coming and His second coming. If we had time to run down through it, you'd see it.” 53-0509, The Pillar Of Fire

Are there really three Bibles? Is one of the Bibles which God wrote the Zodiac as Branham states? First, let’s be clear about what the Zodiac is. The Zodiac is define here:

Meriam Webster: ZODIAC: an imaginary belt of the heavens, extending about 8° on each side of the ecliptic, within which are the apparent paths of the sun, moon, and principal planets. It contains twelve constellations and hence twelve divisions called signs of the zodiac. Each division, however, because of the precession of the equinoxes, now contains the constellation west of the one from which it took its name.

The Zodiac is used by ASTROLOGERS in order to predict future events by divining these events in relation to the movement of the star signs.

This differs from ASTRONOMY. Astronomy define thus:

Meriam Webster: the branch of science that deals with celestial objects, space, and the physical universe as a whole.

Notice that ASTRONOMY deals with celestial objects such as the stars, and everything which was created by God in the heavens. Notice also that the Zodiac (ASTROLOGY) deals with divining the future through reading star signs.

What does the Bible tell us about ASTROLOGY and the Zodiac?

Isaiah 47:12-14 (HCSB) 12 So take your stand with your spells and your many sorceries, which you have wearied yourself with from your youth. Perhaps you will be able to succeed; perhaps you will inspire terror! 13 You are worn out with your many consultations. So, let them stand and save you— the astrologers, who observe the stars, who predict monthly what will happen to you. 14 Look, they are like stubble; fire burns them up. They cannot deliver themselves from the power of the flame. This is not a coal for warming themselves, or a fire to sit beside!

It would seem that the Bible would have something very different to say about the Zodiac than William Branham does. Which is correct? Was Branham correct? Or was the Bible correct?

And how about the Bible written about the Pyramids? The pyramids are not explicitly mentioned in the Bible. Where did Branham get the notion that God wrote a Bible in the mystery of the pyramids?

There is no scriptural support for these assertions by Branham. You were concerned about our assertion that Deuteronomy Chapter 13 applied to William Branham. As you remember, that chapter speaks about false prophets who teach other gods. Which god is it that Branham teaches when he speaks about a bible in the Zodiac and the mystery of the pyramids?

And this is not the only place where Branham taught things which are directly opposed to scripture. For example, Branham taught this:

“And when the... John wept. Now, someone, as I said last week, they said, "John wept because that he could find nobody worthy." It wasn't that. A man under the influence of the Holy Ghost wouldn't weep for that. Thought that, "'Cause he wasn't worthy," maybe John himself wasn't worthy. There's nobody worthy. But he didn't weep because of that. I believe he was weeping for joy because that he had seen the whole plan of redemption was wrote in this Book here. It wasn't because there wasn't nobody worthy, because there stood a Lamb right there was worthy. So he was weeping there, he said, "Oh, Glory to God." Listen at him directly when he goes to shouting. Now, but we find him here weeping because that he was so happy because that the Lamb had taken the Book for the--out of the hand of Him that set upon the throne.” REV.CHAP.5.PART.2 JEFF.IN ROJC 747-793 61-0618

What does the Bible say?

Revelation 5:4 (HCSB) 4 And I cried and cried because no one was found worthy to open the scroll or even to look in it.

Which is correct? Was Branham correct? Or was John the Revelator correct?

Here again, we see one instance of what Branham taught which directly opposes scripture. There are many many many others, these are just a few.

You see, Mr. Macgraw, we aren’t the issue. Ignoring Branham and attacking us individually doesn’t face the issue. You can attempt to explain Branham’s lack of ability to do the very thing which is pointed to as direct vindication that he is in fact a prophet of God by telling us that he just didn’t have all of the information concerning who it was, or what he was praying for. This of course does not account for the vociferous manner in which Branham spoke of these incidences to his audiences in his sermons even when he didn’t have the “facts”. And you can remind us pf that which we are keenly aware… that Branham didn’t heal, God does. But Branham tells us that you need him for that gift to manifest itself. We didn’t say those words, Branham did.

I am not sure how you can say that Branham didn’t teach those things were directly anti-scriptural like the couple of the many many many instances which we showed here. We have demonstrated what God says in His Word about what Branham taught.

God isn’t confused. These things which we have pointed to are direct evidence that William Branham does not pass the examination as a prophet of God, in any COVENANT of God.

So, the question remains… Branham told many times of the vision of the Municipal Bridge over the Ohio River. We are yet to see your explanation of that vision coming to pass. And we know from scripture that when a prophet claims to be of God, his visions ALWAYS come to pass, without exception. So, given all that has been presented herein, and adding that to the Municipal Bridge and other visions which failed, how does William Branham qualify as a prophet of God?

As a side issue, Mr. MacGraw, you speak about the knowledge of the Lord and wisdom and study as if these are bad things. The Bible is full of instances where we are told to aspire to these things as is here an example:

Proverbs 1:2-7 (HCSB) 2 For learning what wisdom and discipline are; for understanding insightful sayings; 3 for receiving wise instruction ⌊in⌋ righteousness, justice, and integrity; 4 for teaching shrewdness to the inexperienced, knowledge and discretion to a young man— 5 a wise man will listen and increase his learning, and a discerning man will obtain guidance— 6 for understanding a proverb or a parable, the words of the wise, and their riddles. 7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and discipline.

Wisdom and study of the Lord’s Word is a good thing. And those who would counsel against being closer to the Lord’s Word counsel foolishly:

Proverbs 4:10-13 (HCSB) 10 Listen, my son. Accept my words, and you will live many years. 11 I am teaching you the way of wisdom; I am guiding you on straight paths. 12 When you walk, your steps will not be hindered; when you run, you will not stumble. 13 Hold on to instruction; don’t let go. Guard it, for it is your life.

As always, I appreciate your time and look forward to your response.

BTS 2

Response from BM2

Brother BTS 2,

You said >>>>So it is Branham himself that tells us that HE is responsible for healing.

I say......Your conclusion is only partly true. If GOD sends a preacher...or any GOD sent man for any purpose....the people are to hear him. Scripture is plain....that if anyone receives whom GOD sends....they are receiving GOD. The man sent..... certainly would/should expect the people to believe/receive him...or they couldn't act on his message...NOW COULD THEY????

If GOD sends any gift...the man isn't the one who makes it fulfill...but GOD confirms the message/Gift.... through the man!

You said >>>> I wanted to make sure I gave you some information about which you appear to have a misapprehension. We don’t have a group. The administrators of this page come from many countries, many walks of life, no particular assembly or gathering, and we have no commonality in any way, except that we have all been in the message of William Branham in the past, and discovered that reading the Bible and comparing William Branham’s words to the Bible shows that he is not a prophet of God. We all got to this point from different places, but we all got here to this same place. We aren’t a group, we are just a bunch of people who are dedicated to knowing Christ and helping others to know Him better as well. We all go to different assemblies as we are led in our local areas, and we all worship in different places and in different ways. In the various assemblies and churches in which we worship separately, there are Gifts of the Holy Spirit frequently exhibited. But we don’t collect them into a group event as we aren’t a group. We just worship in different places around the world.

I say......I am beginning to wonder what kind of mixed up mess....that I am communicating with. Your WEB PAGE..... against the ministry of William Branham isn't a group...but a bunch.....all belonging to a specific internet PAGE.....with nothing in common with each other etc! Yet every one of you are in some sort of united effort to destroy...with nothing in common?????? Your bunch....are working fervently to kill/destroy the effects of a ministry....that has won millions to Christ.....gave nearly all his time and effort to pray for the sick and destitute....went off of the field for quite some time...because the sponsors couldn't meet the expenses and because he refused to ask for personal offerings...in spite of what you have said. He had angelic visitations .....witnessed by living witnesses today being in the room and also foretold scores of events...while riding in an automobile with acquaintances....by their own testimony by them..... in my hearing.

You and your BUNCH..... compass the whole earth and find 5 or 6 incidents...which can't be proven either way.....then add your opinion without knowing the facts surrounding them and use your manufactured conclusion ....in an attempt to destroy. I see a Scriptural pattern here....exactly as was done to the LORD JESUS in His day....a BUNCH of Pharisees sent out a BUNCH of critics.....in a concerted effort.... to trap the LORD in his words. No differently than your BUNCH has done..... in this time. They may be sincere...that.... no one but that individual knows...but I would venture to say....that if they had the recorded life of Moses...early on in his life...they would attempt to assassinate his ministry as being a false prophet...since it is obvious that he used murder early on....to accomplish his purpose. Paul was also guilty of murder early on and taught the doctrines of the Pharisees...until he met the LORD on the road to Damascus. Even after his conversion...along with all the errors of his early teaching...he commanded his followers to do this...in his prediction of the time of the Coming.

1 Corinthians 7:29 But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none;

Brother Branham never hurt anyone physically and gave his life early on.... to the service of the LORD. Why don't you and your BUNCH .....call Paul a false prophet...since he erred in his prediction. That was nearly 2000 years ago and what he predicted at/for that time.....hasn't happened yet! I believe BUNCHES like yours...are the perfect fulfillment of this Scripture below....for today. In all honesty...I see a BUNCH of spiritual anarchists...out to destroy a ministry..... that they haven't the ability to understand anything about how GOD works.

As it is written......Matthew 13: 9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. 10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. 14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

This is my honest conclusion .....of our exchanges so far.

BTS 2 RESPONSE

BM2,

I will do my best to respond to your email. You seem to think that being part of a “group” is somehow relevant. We, all of us, have this in common; we were once dedicated to the message of William Branham, believed him to be a prophet of God, and worshiped in message assemblies. We, all of us through different circumstances and at different times came to discover that there were issues with the message of William Branham that could not be reconciled with the Word of God. We, all of us, left our assemblies, some of us at great cost. But we have found liberty and fullness in salvation through Jesus Christ without the requirement of a prophet of God or human intercessor. We have all found that we are no longer bound by a doctrine of man, but are set free by the Word of God which extends to all parts of the earth, and through the Promises of God through guidance and fellowship with the Holy Spirit.

I think you have lost sight of what the Holy Spirit has done since He arrived on the scene at Pentecost. The Holy Spirit has been “poured out” onto the whole world for the benefit of everyone who confesses Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior:

Acts 2:17-21 (HCSB) 17 And it will be in the last days, says God, that I will pour out My Spirit on all humanity; then your sons and your daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, and your old men will dream dreams. 18 I will even pour out My Spirit on My male and female slaves in those days, and they will prophesy. 19 I will display wonders in the heaven above and signs on the earth below: blood and fire and a cloud of smoke. 20 The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the great and remarkable Day of the Lord comes. 21 Then everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.

How is it that we need a “group” to participate in that outpouring of the Holy Spirit throughout the world?

Perhaps it is that you focus your attention on someone who places themselves incorrectly between men and God that you can’t see the wider, more spiritual events of God which are happening around you.

I certainly don’t consider Paul the Apostle as being a prophet messenger. He stated quite clearly, and I showed you several examples of where Paul would disagree with your characterization of his holy office.

I can understand your frustration. You are confronted with sermon upon sermon, quote upon quote, from William Branham which is shown to be false, which directly opposes scripture, and which demonstrates quite clearly that Branham can\not pass the scriptural examination concerning his qualifications as a prophet of God. Since these are HIS words which we show you, and HIS sermons which we compare to scripture, then you turn your attention to those who would show you the quotes instead of considering whether William Branham actually was a prophet of God according to scripture. And I understand. It’s an investment that has been made by many of us over the years. It so happens that there are some of us that have looked to the Word of God instead of the sermons of William Branham.

So, let’s recap… we are exhorted to examine what the person who claims to be a prophet of God says (not what we would like to think he meant, but what he actually says reportedly with the Authority of God) against the Word of God to determine if what he says actually aligns with the God’s Word:

1 John 4:1 (HCSB) 1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to determine if they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

We discover that what he says is not true, even when he proclaims these things using the Name of the Lord (THUS SAITH THE LORD).

We see what Branham taught in his sermons, not on a single occasion, but on multiple occasions, that which opposed directly what the Word of God tells us.

We see that what William Branham told as a prophecy with God’s Authority as a prophet of God (THUS SAITH THE LORD) does not come to pass, just like this example:

“Then just then, He taken me out in the Spirit. Listen, Brother Jackson, you never heard this, none of the rest have. And He set me down at Durban, South Africa, in that same booth, standing there before those tens of thousands, and thousands of people there. And I looked and I seen all that meeting gather together, and fade off to my right. Geographically, I was standing this way. And it faded to the left going this way, turning blue. And then right before me, stood blocked off streets like that, with people standing there, with their hands up praising God. Then He turned me to the east, and looked that way. And I seen people standing there with clouts, like on, like the Indians wear. And there were thousands of them, and they had their hands up air, just a praising God and screaming and praising God. And I couldn't even see the end of them. And just about that time, come a great Angel from heaven, and stood be--over the top of me here, with a big Light. And that Light like on the end of one of these here operating lights on the front of a--of a big locomotive, and begin to throw. And the hillsides were sitting black and standing with people for a mile away nearly. And I said, "Oh, are they all black people?" Then He turned my face here in front of me, to Durban again, and there was beautiful white men and women, standing with their hands up in the air, praising God. Then He turned me back again, and the great Light started going way back over the hills and showing. Then the Angel drew near. And I heard Him scream with a Voice, that shook me from the vision. Said, "There'll be three hundred thousand of them in that meeting. THUS SAITH THE LORD mark it in your book." I come out of it. I said, "My Lord and my God. Thanks be to You. I appreciate the stripes and the whipping that You give me for disobeying You. But from this on, Lord, knowingly, if I ever know again, I will never tie myself up with a bunch of nobody else preachers, managers, or no one else, but what I will be free to do what You say do. And I will go just where You say go, and do just what You say do the rest of my life. And I will always try to do just as You say do." And about that time, here He come again. And I seen my Bible rise off the table, and come over to me like this. It was turned over to the place where Paul, in the storm, said, "You should have listened to Me, and not have loosed from Crete, but nevertheless, the Angel of the Lord Who stood by me, and so forth..." ...And I said, "Sister Broy, the Angel of the Lord has appeared to me and told me, 'Forget about the ameba. It's going to be all right. And I'm going to have a meeting that's going to consist of three hundred thousand people.' And God," I said, "my ministry is just now beginning." I said, "I want to base it; I want to tear that thing out from where it was, and get rid of all these here leeches, and things a hanging on, so I can get to the people and tell them what's the truth." And that's right. I said, "I'm tired of this and the man-made stuff anyhow. And I'm going to be where God can use me. I'm going to live right in that channel, as long as I live."” EARLY.SPIRITUAL.EXPERIENCES_ HAMMOND.IN SUNDAY_ 52-0713A

He spoke of the prophecy of a meeting in South Africa 9 times in 1952, 8 times in 1953, 5 times in 1954, 2 times in 1957, 3 times in 1958, 1 time in 1964, and 2 additional times in 1965. In total, Branham repeated this prophecy 30 times in sermons, in many of those sermons using THUS SAITH THE LORD, that he would absolutely go and hold the meetings of which he spoke. Then in 1965 he admits that he didn’t go. In fact, he told us this:

“I had planned on, so hard, coming back; burdened in the heart. I just returned from Africa, as you all know. And when I got over there, I had a restricted visa, and wouldn't let me, wouldn't let me preach because it gathers too many together. They're expecting an uprise there at any time, and--and they--they wouldn't let me preach because of that gathering too many people together. The only way I could, would to have some organization that's represented by the government, in the government, to invite me over, then that would automatically let the government send out a militia for protection. See, they're just... There is just going to be an uprise, and that's all there is to it. It's just right in hand, see. That government man said, "The last time he was here, he had about a quarter of a million people together." And he said, "Then, you see, that would just be the very thing that communism is looking for, for an uprise." So, I couldn't preach. And so I, when I started to go over, I'm telling you, I never had so much trouble in all my life, of trying to get there. And then at the very last minute, very last minute to go, here was wrote across my visa, "Cannot anticipate in any kind of religious service; can only come hunting." Well, then, it was rank. But I said, "I don't care what the Devil does, I--I can't... I can't voucher for what Brother Jackson said about yellow-mane lion, and this, that, or the other. I--I can't vouch it. But I do know God told me to 'see Sidney Jackson, and go hunting.'"And I said, "I'm going." And sometime... And I had one of the greatest trips. I found out what the trouble was. Now I think, about October, the Lord willing, I can go back and have a meeting and everything, full cooperation, everything else, see, in Africa now. I got to the bottom of it and found out where it was at, what caused it. Up here, writing, this one has got this to say, and something's got something to say, and this one there. The best thing to do, is go find out, yourself. And I know where the trouble was, and what the reason of it was; it was because of so many people gathering together, the government wouldn't let me have it.” ASHAMED JEFF.IN 65-0711

Curiously, he tells us that he wasn’t able to go. But here’s what we know from scripture. You see, we find the story of Jonah very instructive here. You may remember that Jonah, a true prophet of God, did everything he could to avoid telling the king and people of Nineveh the judgement of God. Jonah went the opposite direction intentionally in his attempt to avoid going to Nineveh. Did you notice from scripture that God “helped” Jonah to get to Nineveh? After God told Jonah to go and despite his best efforts, Jonah ultimately went to Nineveh. We see that God forestalled His judgement on the people of Nineveh because of their repentance. But that wasn’t the prophet’s call. God gave Jonah instructions with His authority. As was the case with other true prophets of God, His words did not fall to the earth. Jonah WENT to Nineveh, like it or not. When we compare this to Branham’s situation in South Africa, we see that even though Branham spoke of this prophecy 30 times using God’s Authority, even Branham had to admit that ultimately IT DID NOT COME TO PASS. Do you think if God had intended the meeting to take place ANYTHING ON EARTH COULD HAVE STOPPED THE EVENT FROM TAKING PLACE?

We even see here where Branham tells us how we should view him if this should ever happen:

“...here was the test of a prophet: if a prophet prophesied, and that what he said come to pass, then hear him. But if it don't come to pass, then God hasn't spoke. That's all. So don't--don't fear him. That's right. "If there be one among you who's spiritual or a prophet, I, the Lord God, will make myself known unto him in visions, speak to him in dreams. And if it comes to pass, then I--that's Me speaking." Sure, God ain't going to lie. You know He can't lie there's nothing in Him to lie.” 62-0407, THE SIGNS OF HIS COMING CLEVELAND TN SATURDAY

I can appreciate the fact that this is frustrating for you to see in Branham’s own words. But, it's not us you should be frustrated with, Mr. MacGraw. We aren’t the problem.

And still you have no response to the original question concerning another of Branham’s prophecies or visions which failed to come to pass, the Municipal Bridge vision which Branham spoke of several times as well and about which I have now asked you multiple times.

If we aren’t going to address the issues concerning William Branham’s qualifications as a prophet of God, then how can we in any confidence at all discuss any thing else related to his life or his ministry? That’s why I asked initially what the qualifications of a prophet of God are in your view. You have told us of great works, signs, and wonders. We have shown you scripturally where Jesus and the Apostles warn of false prophets who will come with great signs, wonders, and works. You have told us of his power to discern. We have shown you instances where his discernment had failed and was seriously called into question.

This isn’t assassination of Branham’s ministry. We don’t have to do that. Branham himself does that with his own sermons, his own words, when compared to the very Word of God. We aren’t the problem, Mr. MacGraw. Branham was a liar, a fraud, and a false prophet. And that’s the problem.

I cannot see how this discussion is going to be profitable for you, me, or anyone if we aren’t going to tackle head-on the issues concerning the discrepancies of Branham’s ministry compared to God’s Word. I make no claims about you or those who worship with you as you do about me. You aren’t the issue either. The issue was, is, and will be William Branham.

Let me know if you believe continued discussion will be in your interest. If it is, then perhaps you could answer the question concerning the Municipal Bridge vision so we can move forward.

Thank you for your time.

BTS2

Post Script: You should also be aware that we are in possession of the financial statements represented by the Branham family after the death of William Branham concerning his ministry. Branham passed millions of dollars to his family and his ministry after his death. We also have the documentation which shows quite clearly that during his life Branham received many material gifts. Branham was by no measure of wealth a poor man. And his family in the main has not suffered for financial support because of the wealth and resources accumulated by William Branham during his life time. We would not wish you to be under the misapprehension that Branham did not take offerings or gifts during his life time. While there is nothing wrong with the accumulation of wealth, it is important that we don’t operate with incorrect information, and it would be imprudent for us to ignore the facts.

BM2 reply

You said >>>>>I will do my best to respond to your email. You seem to think that being part of a “group” is somehow relevant. We, all of us, have this in common; we were once dedicated to the message of William Branham, believed him to be a prophet of God, and worshiped in message assemblies. We, all of us through different circumstances and at different times came to discover that there were issues with the message of William Branham that could not be reconciled with the Word of God.

I say.....You missed my point entirely Brother. My point was a little attempt at humor...because of the statement you made...in saying that you weren't with a group...but just a bunch. A group and a bunch are the same thing when the agenda is the same.....just in case you didn't know that there are exact meanings among different words. When I was in grammar school they were called synonyms. Perhaps that is why your BUNCH has had such a difficult time understanding William Branham's Kentucky English.

The same thing happened in the ministry of the LORD JESUS. Scripture declares that the COMMON people heard Him gladly...but the intellectual Pharisees stumbled at His words. I do seriously wonder...if the same pattern could repeat today! As I have told you before....I teach the MESSAGE directly from Scripture and many times ....we take a historical study on the Book of Revelation .....as was taught in the opening of the Seals. By the way....the Book of Revelation....of JESUS CHRIST...was written some time after the death of Paul and is relevant to SALVATION. John wept you know...because the Book was sealed and needed to be opened and revealed.

Oh yes...your little twist of Brother Branham saying one time....that he felt John wept for joy because of the Book. AFTER Brother Branham was corrected by the visitation in the opening of the Seals....he never used that phrase again. In fact...he emphasized the cause .....as the Book being sealed and the NECESSITY of it being opened. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that Brother Branham grew in his understanding as his ministry progressed...no differently than all the Disciples including Paul.

You said >>>>>I think you have lost sight of what the Holy Spirit has done since He arrived on the scene at Pentecost. The Holy Spirit has been “poured out” onto the whole world for the benefit of everyone who confesses Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior:

I say........You have got to be kidding me Brother. I was raised under the Pentecostal movement and experienced everything that timeframe had to offer. I have seen people in all walks of life "CONFESS" JESUS CHRIST as LORD and Saviour and some...if not most.... lived like the devil....still making your generic claim. That's Baptist theology...the once in grace.....always in grace error.

On the day of Pentecost...there was a sequential manifestation of the Holy Ghost...that got the attention of those outside. That order of manifestation was followed with a sermon by Peter....the man to whom was given..... the "KEYS TO THE KINGDOM". His sermon was capped by the "KEYS" being turned in the DOOR...CHRIST JESUS....and they were commanded to REPENT and then be Baptized in the Name of the LORD JESUS CHRIST...so that their SINS COULD BE REMITTED! No one can truly confess CHRIST....without being obedient to HIS WORD...which is the earthly representation of HIS PERSON! All who try to climb up another way are thieves and robbers....including your wide open door policy..... of over simplification. If your theory was correct...then Scripture would be moot....in stating emphatically...that few would be saved and that....leaving the majority to worship JESUS CHRIST IN VAIN! Not idol worshippers Brother...worshipers of JESUS CHRIST and their worship being unacceptable! I'm not sure which Bible you are reading Brother....but whichever one you are reading....is evidently not being completely/correctly applied.

Besides the unchangeable KEYS TO THE DOOR...... for entry to the Kingdom....one of the Brethren named JOHN.....that was there and experienced all that happened at Pentecost.....made it very clear to some of us....that the Book in the Hand of GOD in his Visions at Patmos....had to be opened and revealed.....to complete the plan of Redemption.

Yes Brother....I am acutely aware what has happened since Pentecost and obviously quite a little more than your oversimplified theory...of how to enter through the DOOR to the Kingdom. You might read Matt. 25 and see that every one who says LORD LORD....doesn't get through the DOOR. It gets shut on the Foolish Virgins and they have to go through the Tribulation for not discerning what the "OIL IN THE VESSEL"... means.

JOHN....in the course of his Visions.... met with a Prophet....who showed him the Book. That Prophet was preparing to come from the other side...with the commission to give rewards and curses. Hope you come around and wake up..... before it's too late. Do note Brother....that particular Prophet told JOHN.... that he...the Prophet..... kept the sayings of the Book of Revelation. So....he would have to be familiar with the understanding of the Book...to KEEP THE SAYINGS! Whoever this Prophet angel is.....someone had better find him and follow his MESSAGE!

Revelation 22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

BTS 2 reply

I will respond a point at a time as needs responding.

We should first address Branham’s “Kentucky English”… Branham told us this about his young life:

When I was a boy, my father died. I had ten children to take care of, and I had to work and support my mother and the children. Then since the Lord has sent me out, why, I have–haven’t had a chance.” (53-1129)

I said, “Yes, sir, that’s right.” I said–I said, “I know my grammar’s awful.” I said, ”I’m sorry about that.” I said, “I was raised in a family of ten, and I was the oldest. And my daddy died, and I had to take care of ten children, and my mother…” I said, “I didn’t get a chance to get an education.” 55-1001

Branham told this heart wrenching story several times, not just the two that I put here. So, let’s discover the truth. Charles Branham died November 30, 1936. Now, depending on which of the four birthdates which Branham provided at different times in his life on different documents including two marriage licenses, William Branham was between 27 and 29 years old. He was at the time married to Hope and had two children. Looking back on Branham’s quotes, which education was it that Branham missed out on exactly?

And here is one of our main points. When you read Branham’s sermons, even his life story, you can’t tell when Branham is telling the truth! Clearly in this case he was lying yet again. Tell me again about his “Kentucky English?”

But I digress. Back to your email.

One of the interesting things which you have said now a couple of times is that Jesus spoke to people who understood and others stumbled at His Words because they were “intellectual”. When you mis-speak about scripture like that, it is important to clarify the record for you. Here are SOME of the things which are spoken in God’s Word concerning wisdom and the knowledge of the Word of the Lord:

Acts 17:10-11 (HCSB) 10 As soon as it was night, the brothers sent Paul and Silas off to Berea. On arrival, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 The people here were more open-minded than those in Thessalonica, since they welcomed the message with eagerness and examined the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.

1 John 4:1 (HCSB) 1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to determine if they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Proverbs 1:2-7 (HCSB) 2 For learning what wisdom and discipline are; for understanding insightful sayings; 3 for receiving wise instruction ?in? righteousness, justice, and integrity; 4 for teaching shrewdness to the inexperienced, knowledge and discretion to a young man— 5 a wise man will listen and increase his learning, and a discerning man will obtain guidance— 6 for understanding a proverb or a parable, the words of the wise, and their riddles. 7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and discipline.

Proverbs 18:15 (HCSB) 15 The mind of the discerning acquires knowledge, and the ear of the wise seeks it.

Proverbs 15:14 (HCSB) 14 A discerning mind seeks knowledge, but the mouth of fools feeds on foolishness.

Proverbs 2:1-6 (HCSB)

1 My son, if you accept my words and store up my commands within you, 2 listening closely to wisdom and directing your heart to understanding; 3 furthermore, if you call out to insight and lift your voice to understanding, 4 if you seek it like silver and search for it like hidden treasure, 5 then you will understand the fear of the LORD and discover the knowledge of God. 6 For the LORD gives wisdom; from His mouth come knowledge and understanding.

To suggest that wisdom and the Knowledge of the Word of the Lord is a bad thing is foolishness, just as scripture says.

Again, I digress. Back to your email.

The “Wide Open-Door Policy” as you coined it is not ours. These are the Words of Jesus Christ:

Matthew 28:18-20 (HCSB) 18 Then Jesus came near and said to them, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe everything I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

Notice that Jesus here tells his disciples to “MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL NATIONS”. We see the Apostles going to the then-known world and evangelizing the Word of God.

We see people like those in Berea who took this very seriously. We saw previously how the Apostle Paul spoke about Jesus being HEIR OF ALL THINGS, not just a couple of things:

Hebrews 1:1-3 (HCSB) 1 Long ago God spoke to the fathers by the prophets at different times and in different ways. 2 In these last days, He has spoken to us by ⌊His⌋ Son. God has appointed Him heir of all things and made the universe through Him. 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact expression of His nature, sustaining all things by His powerful word. After making purification for sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.

We see the Apostles here invite ANYONE WHO BELIEVES to become a follower of Christ:

Acts 16:31 (HCSB) 31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”

This isn’t exclusivity, this is as “open door” as you can get. If you reject Jesus as Lord and Savior, then certainly you aren’t saved. And we are aware of that. But where did Christ CLOSE THE DOOR?? That bears no resemblance to the Great Commission which Christ gave to His disciples.

Now, I understand why Branham taught “exclusivity”. He has to. There are those who will accept Christ, but will reject Branham’s claim to God’s Authority based on his inability to tell the truth, his teaching that which directly opposes scripture, and prophesying that which does not come to pass. And we have seen how scripture deals with that. And to teach exclusivity creates a “second class” of Christian which doesn’t exist. The verse I attached above shows ONE formula for Christianity. Just one. Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and you SHALL BE SAVED!

The things which you quote in this email which you sent are pure “message” and show almost a disdain for scripture. They are unscriptural and unsupported by scripture.

By the way, it wasn’t our “little twist” to say that Branham proclaimed that John cried for joy. We didn’t say that. We didn’t twist a thing. Those are Branham’s own words.

This email of yours is a sorry attempt to tell us that I am uneducated and ill-suited to speak about God’s Word. But you haven’t shown, not one instance, that what we have pointed out about William Branham and his lack of qualification as a prophet of God is untrue. We show you scriptural definitions about how a prophet qualifies, we show you how Branham fails in the examination as a prophet, and you come to us with OUR lack of understanding.

Perhaps we could get back to the point of this interaction: DOES WILLIAM BRANHAM QUALIFY AS A PROPHET OF GOD? OR WAS WILLIAM BRANHAM ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE A FALSE PROPHET?

You have yet to answer the VERY FIRST QUESTION which was brought to you. Did the Municipal Bridge Vision come to pass as Branham stated using THUS SAITH THE LORD? Or did it fail?

As in the instance of the examples that we have shown, DID BRANHAM TEACH THAT WHICH DIRECTLY OPPOSES SCRIPTURE? And finally, DID WILLIAM BRANHAM LIE IN THE NAME OF THE LORD WHILE CLAIMING TO SPEAK WITH GOD’S AUTHORITY?

You see, all three of these things are so. And we see in this response that Branham couldn’t even be honest about the events in his life which have NO BEARING on the Word of God, but speak to his general credibility.

What this really comes down to is simple… when you read the sermons of William Branham given all of the false statements, teaching which is unscriptural, and failed visions and prophecies, can you know without confusion that which is of God? We know that God is not confused. We know that God’s true prophets throughout scripture were not confused. Why is it that Branham is to be given a pass for being confused? He teaches both sides of many issues very frequently in his sermons. His teaching is in many many cases at best extra-scriptural and worst anti-scriptural.

Again, this isn’t about us. This is about not giving any scriptural support for Branham being a prophet of God. And if he isn’t a prophet of God, then are people wasting their time basing their salvation, their “exclusive” salvation, on doctrine which is entirely questionable and put forth by someone who doesn’t qualify as God’s representative?

Perhaps at some point we can even speak about the “seals”, or what is commonly referred to since the 1st century AD as “dispensationalism”. Perhaps we can speak about whether Irenaeus, the very person who Branham claimed was a “prophet messenger” tell us in his writings that this doctrine is heresy. So, maybe we can ask the question, was God confused between the 1st century and the 20th century? Perhaps we might discover why Branham’s “special revelation from God” regarding the seven church ages was nearly word for word plagiarism of a book written in 1918 by a man named Clarence Larkin who also taught dispensationalism, and who also claimed to be the “Elijah spirit”. But again, I digress.

I encourage you to please answer the first question. Before we go any further, let’s work at figuring out if William Branham really is a prophet of God. We don’t do this by repeating his extra- and anti-scriptural nonsense. We do this by examining what the characteristics of a prophet of God are, and examining whether Branham possesses those characteristics. Remember our very first exchange when I asked what your scriptural definition of a prophet is? That is important to understand Branham. And the rest of this argument over who has the better understanding of scripture, or who is more “plain spoken” versus studied, is just smoke screen and diversion from the qualifications of William Branham to speak with the Authority of God.

So, again, let’s get back to the first question. Did the Municipal Bridge vision as given several times by Branham and repeated by others who heard it directly from William Branham actually come to pass?

I sincerely hope that we can get to the point of this interaction at some point in the near future.

As always, I await your response.

BTS 2

Clarification by BTS 2

I mis-spoke, and I wanted to clarify my statement…

Irenaeus was not the FIRST which Branham identified as a messenger during his exposition of dispensationalism… he was actually the second. So, my apologies for the mis-statement. I am glad to have clarified this for you.

BTS 2

BM2 Response

Brother BTS 2,

You said >>>> I can appreciate the fact that this is frustrating for you to see in Branham’s own words. But, it's not us you should be frustrated with, BM2. We aren’t the problem.

And still you have no response to the original question concerning another of Branham’s prophecies or visions which failed to come to pass, the Municipal Bridge vision which Branham spoke of several times as well and about which I have now asked you multiple times.

I say......I have no reason to be frustrated in reading what Brother Branham said.....being as it is....that I have the ability to read ALL that is said ....on any given subject. I then take the latest information to Scripture and see if it is there in content.....then I teach the subject matter directly from the Bible. Just because you can't see it...doesn't keep it from being there.

I did respond to your bridge issue previously.... in just a few words and I still say the same thing. "It is an issue that can't be proven pro nor con"....since all the witnesses are dead and the "REST OF THE STORY" is buried with them. Your total dependence on what you can find in politically run newspaper reported deaths....in/on the construction of the bridge....as I see it....is no more completely credible or accurate...than your search was for/in the records of Brother Branham's fathers birth.....with different dates. Of course..... you could be of the opinion...... that Government run projects are purely transparent and above board...in reporting everything negative. It promotes re-election ....right?

I did talk last week..... to the only living witness...to/of the Angel coming into the motel room..... when Brother Billy was around 12. He straightened out the very thing....that your BUNCH tried to make Brother Branham a liar for. It puts your BUNCH into the category..... of being false accusers.....uuuhhhh LIARS. Again....perhaps you should have talked with the living witness...before jumping gleefully onto the destroy William Branham band wagon.

On another issue....I have on my desk...a copy of the testimony of Brother Branham's King George V1 event...by another witness. He testifies that he saw the files in Brother Branham's office...concerning all the exchanges between King George's secretary...stamped with the royal seals and that it was stated (my wording) "that the symptoms of losing the ability to walk over a short time....reflected the symptoms of MS". Brother Branham had no reason to get a doctor and send him to England... to be sure it was the disease...that he was told by someone else. Again....unprovable pro or con. Personally..... I think the Scripture verse of our LORD's words...."Strain at a gnat and swallow a camel"...perfectly fits your ilks agenda......no differently than in JESUS' time.

Matthew 23:24....Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

You said >>>>If we aren’t going to address the issues concerning William Branham’s qualifications as a prophet of God, then how can we in any confidence at all discuss anything else related to his life or his ministry? That’s why I asked initially what the qualifications of a prophet of God are in your view. You have told us of great works, signs, and wonders. We have shown you scripturally where Jesus and the Apostles warn of false prophets who will come with great signs, wonders, and works. You have told us of his power to discern. We have shown you instances where his discernment had failed and was seriously called into question.

I say.......That is rather a contradictory statement isn't it? You spend a lot of effort trying to prove him not to be a Prophet..... by what you call false prophecies.....which are outcroppings of a Prophet's identification. Not only that....but the things/events that you bring as your biased evidence...are directly related to his life and ministry!

His teaching...which is the Scripturally PROVABLE identification....is the most important part of his ministry. Prophecies.....of themselves.....can be self interpreted by the reader by opinion. Prophecy can have a far reaching future event/events and by my personal dedicated research over many years....I well understand that much of Bible Prophecy hasn't happened as yet. One Scholar put it at 90%...yet to be FULFILLED. That doesn't in any way make the Prophet false....that prophesies of a future event either to literally happen then or later as shown by a Vision......or....by symbolic representation.... as is shown quite often by/in Scripture. To the point of questionable discernment....you haven't PROVED anything...being as it is also well understood by those of us familiar with his ministry.....that Brother Branham's GIFTS...worked in various ways. He was a seer Prophet. Sometimes he would see the situation by Vision in symbolism... as in Name representation and other times it was spelled out and he had to say/pronounce it..... as best as he could. If his strength (VIRTUE) was waning...he many times would use the sign in his hand...as I witnessed many times....during his meetings.

I remember well..... a pretty well nationally renowned evangelist....who was about to commit suicide and was called out by Vision. Brother Branham mispronounced the man's Name in the 1st Letter of his last Name. I know that...because I knew the man personally. The man didn't complain..... because all the other things said after the mis-pronunciation of one letter.... identified him to a T. He was healed immediately. Your BUNCH.... would have jumped on this event as identification of a false prophet...straining at a gnat as Scripture calls it and totally bypass the miracle..... that saved the man's life and his following winning of many souls to Salvation.

It does frustrate me in that particular area....that people could be so blind with a veiled agenda of hate....that they condemn .....without a full understanding of the facts. In my opinion....they actually condemn themselves. In part.... since they have ABSOLUTELY NO CONFIRMATION FROM GOD..... to back their own opinionated accusations and also because they cry for an open borders grace for themselves and others of their persuasion....in spite of their own false teachings....except of course for William Branham.

So far..... I see nothing in your overall presentation...... except unprovable and incomplete...half truth opinions...based on bias and disguised hate. As I see it.....that kind of deception is a current religious counterpart of Liberalism...headed up like fake news reporting...like CNN in the current natural comparison. They all have arguing points and to the ignorant....they sound so convincing...but to the informed....is nothing more than twisted/slanted opinion.....driven by hate. It most certainly isn't Biblical love.... in/by any stretch of the word.

I am told by a Brother in the midwest...that is acquainted with some of the people of your persuasion....that upon leaving the Message....the Women he knew of....cut their hair.....painted their faces...... put on britches and began wearing flashy jewelry etc. Do you advocate that..... as being set free?????

Brother BM2

Response by BTS 2

Thanks for the reply. Although you didn’t address the issue, and you provided another very wide shot of issues to deal with, I will focus you back on the issue at hand.

You have said in your response that you needed reply to because it can’t be proven. But in fact it can.

Let’s review what William Branham said:

William Branham told of a vision he had as a boy of the construction of a bridge and of its supernatural fulfillment. This story was used to bolster his claim to be a prophet.

“I was playing marbles out with my little brothers, out in the front yard. And all at once I had a strange feeling come on me. And I stopped and set down aside of a tree. And we were right up on the bank from the Ohio River. And I looked down towards Jeffersonville, and I seen a bridge rise up and go across that, the river, span the river. And I seen sixteen men (I counted them) that dropped off of there and lost their lives on that bridge. I run in real quick and told my mother, and she thought I went to sleep. But they kept it in mind, and twenty-two years from then the Municipal Bridge now (that many of you cross when you cross there) crossed the river at the same place, and sixteen men lost their life building that bridge across the river.” It's never failed to be perfectly true. (My Life Story, Los Angeles, April 19, 1959)

From his various retellings of the vision, we can draw the following conclusions about the vision and its fulfillment:

The vision occurred while playing marbles with one or more of his younger brothers when William Branham was a young boy.

William Branham saw the Municipal Bridge being built across the Ohio River between Jeffersonville and Louisville. He clearly identifies it was this specific bridge.

William Branham counted 16 men falling to their deaths from the bridge. He indicated they all drowned.

He saw a sign or heard someone say 22 years.

He told his mother about it and she wrote it down.

Twenty-two years later the municipal bridge was erected and 16 men fell to their deaths and drowned during the construction process just exactly as the Lord had shown William Branham in his vision.

And here is the basic truth… WE CAN PROVE IT DIDN’T HAPPEN!

Let’s address how a prophet in the bible speaks and of that which they speak. Ture prophets in the Bible speak about three time periods. 1) They speak about the first coming of the Messiah… Branham was clearly too late for that. 2) They speak about the second coming of Christ. 3) They speak about things which are “contemporaneous”, that is to say things which will occur or have occurred in their life time.

These three time periods about which prophets speak do indeed account for a lot of prophecies which have yet to come to pass.

The bridge vision which William Branham spoke was of the third category. He stated in his vision that 16 men fell to their death in the river while the river was being built. A well-known minister, Pearry Green, was with Branham near the river at Green gives testimony on video which tells of Branham pointing to the very section of the bridge was collapsed, and where the men were killed (the link to this video is attached here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpHiDzvnRHk ). Some have called into question after Green’s death his motives and credibility. Branham himself speaks very highly of Green here:

“Brother Green preaches the same thing and Message that I believe in. He's left his home; he's left his people; he's left his church. He was, I believe, he was a district superintendent or something of one of the organizations, and give the whole thing up when he heard This. He left everything that was dear to him also to come to the desert, just to support what God is giving to us now.” What house will you build me. Tucson, Arizona, November 21, 1965.

I am assuming that when Branham whom you consider to be highly credible praises Green in this manner that you don’t dispute his reputation or credibility. Further to this point, the founders of the Believe the Sign web site and Facebook forum spoke to Green prior to his death in 2012. Green confirmed all of the material facts of the story as represented in his video testimony personally.

Branham spoke of this vision happening a total of 13 times in addition to the quote which was provided here.

In the quote, Branham speaks about the vision coming to him 22 years prior to the Municipal Bridge being built:

“… But they kept it in mind, and twenty-two years from then the Municipal Bridge now (that many of you cross when you cross there) crossed the river at the same place, and sixteen men lost their life building that bridge across the river.” My Life Story, Los Angeles, April 19, 1959

According to the official record, President Herbert Hoover dedicated the bridge and it was opened on October 31, 1929. Now, I’m not a Rocket Scientist, but I have a calculator. Branham tells us he had the vision 22 years prior to the bridge opening. That puts his vision in 1907. Branham is clear in each of his recounting of the event that he was playing outside with his younger brothers, and that he went inside to tell his mother. No matter which birthdate you give credence to which Branham used on various documents and which he told at various times, Branham wasn’t born yet, or was just he was 7 months old. So, how can Branham have had the vision 22 years before the bridge was completed?

But let’s ignore the obvious problem with the math. I have attached the official report from the engineers to the contracting authority which paid for the bridge for your review. You will find in this report no mention of such an event. There WERE two men who died in the building of this bridge:

On Wednesday, June 19, 1929, Richard Pilton died after being hit in the temple with an iron crank. He did not drown.

On September 10, 1929. Lloyd McEwen lost his footing and fell, landing on a barge below the bridge. He did not drown, but rather, died from the injuries caused from his fall.

So, let’s take a look at what we have to “prove” that the vision didn’t not occur as Branham stated, under the anointing and retold under the Authority of God

No mention of the drowning in the official report.

Two men DID die at two different times, and their deaths were well documented in the newspaper articles of the day. This demonstrates that if 16 men HAD drowned as Branham claims, their deaths would certainly be reported in both official records and in the journalistic records of the moment.

Pearry Green confirms to us while giving video testimony that he personally was standing near the bridge which Branham identified definitively as “THE BRIDGE” about which the vision took place, and confirms that Branham told him personally which span of the bridge had collapsed and from which the men fell to their deaths.

Most importantly, the vision which Branham claims under the Authority of God to have had concerning these deaths took place prior to Bramham’s’ birth, or when he was 7 months old, depending on the birthdate which you prefer to give credence to regarding Branham’s birth.

We look at these things and can say definitively that the Municipal Bridge vision which William Branham spoke of 14 times in his recorded sermons never took place, and certainly never came to pass.

Branham in this instance says that he spoke as a prophet of God, under God’s Authority and that he had this vision, just as he outlined it in the multiple sermons in which it was discussed. I have very clearly demonstrated that this could not possibly have come to pass. Branham spoke of a contemporaneous matter, as true prophets of God do from time to time, and this prophecy, this vision, failed.

If your assertion is that Branham spoke about that which is going to come to pass in the future, then clearly both Branham and Pearry Green are confused about which bridge and which span of the bridge collapsed resulting in the deaths of the 16 men.

Can you please shed some light on this for me? Did Branham speak with God’s Authority about a contemporaneous event which came to pass while Branham was alive when he spoke of the Municipal Bridge? Did this vision come to pass, or did it fail?

We must start there in order to establish Branham’s credibility. If you aren’t willing to address this issue, this failing of Branham’s spoken vision which Branham tells us was anointed by God and retold under God’s Authority, then how can we discuss any other issues which we can prove demonstrably which Branham spoke which similarly are not true and did not come to pass?

I anxiously await your explanation.

BTS 2

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