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==Video Transcript== | |||
Followers of the message believe that Bro. Branham was anointed with the spirit of Elijah as prophesied in Malachi 4, verse 5. | |||
But where does this belief come from? | |||
Believers will most often point to a light that appeared on the Ohio River in August 1933 and a voice that spoke from this light saying "As John the Baptist was sent to forerun the first coming of Christ, your Message will forerun the second Coming." | |||
Let’s look at the progression of this testimony over the years from William Branham’s own words to see how this mystery unfolded. | |||
The story was first told in three published documents. | |||
In a tract that was written and distributed by William Branham entitled “''Jesus Christ the Same Yesterday, Today, and Forever''”, | |||
In Julius Stadsklev’s book, “''A Prophet Visits South Africa''” | |||
And in Gordon Lindsay’s book “''A Man Sent From God''”. | |||
None of these reports mention a voice speaking as we just mentioned. | |||
In 1951, Bro. Branham told the story of what happened: | |||
:''About twelve years ago, I was baptizing my first group after my--one of my revivals at Jeffersonville, Indiana, where I lived at this time--my home is, rather. And standing on the banks of the Ohio River where [Blank.spot.on.tape--Ed.] had gathered out. And while I was baptizing... It was two o'clock in the evening, on June. And the seventeenth candidate, I was baptizing in water at the Ohio River at the foot of Spring Street. And I heard Something speak, and I felt Something take a hold of me. And I looked up. And when I did, coming down from glory came this whirl coming down where I was at. | |||
"Courier Journal Newspaper" packed an article of it, said, "A mystic star appears over a local Baptist pastor while baptizing in the river." They couldn't make out. Oh, up to probably ten thousand people saw It as It moved down where I was at, and went back up in the skies. Come right where I was and went back up into the sky. Well I... Many asked me what It meant. And I said, "I do not know."'' MY COMMISSION Los Angeles, CA 51-0505 | |||
So in 1951, Bro. Branham said that he didn’t know what the event meant. But by1952 he said that he knew exactly what it meant… | |||
:''Recently when I was baptizing on the river at Jeffersonville, when all the local newspapers packed It, two o'clock in the afternoon when I was praying, here It come right down out of the heavens, right at two o'clock in the evening, June, or in the afternoon, rather, in June, about the middle of June, hung right over where I was, and a Voice from It, saying, "As John the Baptist was sent to warn the people of the first coming of Christ, so is this Message to warn the people of the second coming."'' DO YOU NOW BELIEVE BATTLE CREEK, MI 52-0817E | |||
Lee Vayle states in his book “''Twentieth Century Prophet''” that William Branham was the only one that heard the words that were spoken. And while William Branham indicates that Lee Vayle read of the event in a newspaper, Lee Vayle makes no mention of this in his book. | |||
We have also been unable to locate any newspaper stories that relate to this event. | |||
In the Book “''A Man Sent from God''”, Gordon Lindsay mentions a message interpreted in a service by Anna Schrader. He wrote that the gist of this message was “''that as John the Baptist was sent as a forerunner of the Lord’s first coming, so was He sending forth this evangelist and others like him to move the people and prepare them for His second coming''.” | |||
In 1962, William Branham welcomed Sister Schrader over the pulpit, and recalled her interpretation… albeit slightly differently: | |||
:“''...you gave the interpretation, and said the very same thing that the Light did, when it come down over me down there, when I first was a Baptist preacher. Said, “As John the Baptist was sent forth to forerun the first coming of Christ, you’re sent forth, and your message will forerun the second coming.''” The Way Back, November 23, 1962, Par. 203 | |||
So what can we conclude from this? | |||
First, William Branham never mentioned a voice referring to “John the Baptist” until 1952, and neither Gordon Lindsay nor Julius Stadsklev refers to the voice in their books. | |||
Second, William Branham was the only one who heard the voice. | |||
Third, Gordon Lindsay recorded a different interpretation given by Anna Schrader than the one that William Branham remembered years later. It is interesting that Anna Schrader’s interpretation is the first reference to a message like that of John the Baptist’s, but it covers not only William Branham but also the other evangelists associated with the healing revival. | |||
Is this the voice that William Branham actually heard? | |||
Another problem is that there do not appear to be any newspaper stories in existence that reported on the story told by William Branham. | |||
These changes to the story over time are very significant, and don’t agree with the earliest records of the story. Isn’t that a little suspect? | |||
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In the Tract, "Jesus Christ the Same, Yesterday, Today and Forever", William Branham first tells of a light appearing on the Ohio River in 1933:
In his book, Twentieth Century Prophet, Lee Vayle writes:
Concerns with the experienceSome things stay the same, and some things changeWilliam Branham retells this story many times. Each time he tells the story, a light always appears when the 17th person is being baptised, and a voice says "Look up". However, there are some differences in each retelling. Originally, 130 people came to be baptized in August 1933 while 3,000 people watched. In later retellings, 500 people came to be baptized in June 1933 while 10,000 people watched. William Branham first tells of the voice which says "As John the Baptist was the forerunner of the first coming of Christ, so your message is the forerunner of the second coming of Christ." in August 1952. John the BaptistGordon Lindsay's book, A Man Sent From God, and Julius Stadsklev's book, A Prophet Visits South Africa both record the light appearing during the baptism, but omit the voice. Gordon Lindsay's book does include the following similar prophecy, however:
This provides witnesses to the prophecy of Jesus' return. However, the prophecy as retold by Gordon Lindsay refers to "this evangelist and others like him", while the prophecy as retold by William Branham only refers to himself. I Do Not KnowThe third time William Branham relates this story, (1951) he says that a voice spoke and that “many asked me what it meant. And I said, "I do not know.” If Bro. Branham did not know what it meant in 1951, why then does he know exactly what it means in August 1952? (see quotes below). Story in the paperWilliam Branham said that the story was carried by a paper (1950), the "Courier Journal" (1951), the "Sunday Visitor" (1954), the "Louisville Herald", and the "Associated Press" (1961). We have conducted numerous searches in online newspaper archives but have been unable to find any references to William Branham in 1933. Additionally, although we have been told that they exist, no one has been able to produce even a single copy of a newspaper article. Therefore, we must conclude that this event was never reported in any newspaper. If you have a copy of any such article, please let us know. Who is Edward Colvin?Willliam Branham mentions that Edward Colvin was being baptized when the light came down. If anyone would be a great witness to this event, Edward would be. QuotesThe following are a few of the quotes of William Branham relating to his experience: 1950 GOD.REVEALING.HIMSELF.TO.HIS.PEOPLE_ CLEVELAND.OH SUNDAY_ 50-0813E
BELIEVE.YE.THAT.I.AM.ABLE.TO.DO.THIS_ CLEVELAND.OH SUNDAY_ 50-0820E
1951 MY.COMMISSION_ LA.CA SATURDAY_ 51-0505 (puts date at 12 years prior or 1939, not 1933)
TESTIMONY_ LA.CA WEDNESDAY_ 51-0509
1952 DO.YOU.NOW.BELIEVE_ BATTLE.CREEK.MI SUNDAY_ 52-0817E
1954 QUESTIONS.AND.ANSWERS_ JEFF.IN SATURDAY_ 54-0515
1955 HOW.THE.ANGEL.CAME.TO.ME.AND.HIS.COMMISSION_ CHICAGO.IL FOOTPRINT.BOOK MONDAY_ 55-0117
THE.HEALING.OF.JAIRUS.DAUGHTER_ PHOENIX.AZ SUNDAY_ 55-0227E
The "Courier Journal," and "The Times News"... no, it was the... [Brother Branham snaps his fingers--Ed.] Oh, I'll get the name of the paper just in a minute, [He snaps his fingers again--Ed.] if I could think of it, the Louisville paper: great article: Mystic Light Appears Over Local Baptist Evangelist While Baptizing At River. Very mystic thing, people could not understand. Many fainted at the Presence of It. The Angel of the Lord come right down and hung over where I was. The "Louisville Herald" is what it was, "Louisville Herald, Herald Post" of Louisville, Kentucky. 1960 ELIJAH.AND.THE.MEAL.OFFERING_ PHX.AZ V-9 N-4 THURSDAY_ 60-0310
1961 THE.CHURCH.CHOOSING.LAW.FOR.GRACE_ MIDDLETOWN.OH THURSDAY_ 61-0316
1963 PERSEVERANT_ SOUTH.GATE.CA SATURDAY_ 62-0623
Years ago, as a little boy, when I was baptizing down on the river that day, just my first message in the Missionary Baptist church... I was baptizing five hundred. And that afternoon, on June, 1933, on June, about the 15th, here come that Pillar of Fire whirling out of the skies, like the pretty, sunshiny afternoon, and go right down in that Voice and shook the whole country round there, said, "As John the Baptist was sent to forerun the first coming of Christ, your Message will forerun the second coming." Now, it's started a revival immediately after that. And there it's went across the nation, around the world, Pentecost reviving. And that's what has taken place, the second coming of Christ.
1963 GO.AWAKE.JESUS_ SHREVEPORT.LA V-17 N-9 SATURDAY_ 63-1130E
1964 A.COURT.TRIAL_ BIRMINGHAM.AL SUNDAY_ 64-0412
150 I said, "Heavenly Father, as this young man has confessed his faith in You. And as Thou hast commissioned us to 'go into all the world and preach the Gospel, baptizing them into the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost,' commissioning them to believe all things which You have taught." "I therefore baptize thee, my beloved brother, in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ."
Video TranscriptFollowers of the message believe that Bro. Branham was anointed with the spirit of Elijah as prophesied in Malachi 4, verse 5. But where does this belief come from? Believers will most often point to a light that appeared on the Ohio River in August 1933 and a voice that spoke from this light saying "As John the Baptist was sent to forerun the first coming of Christ, your Message will forerun the second Coming." Let’s look at the progression of this testimony over the years from William Branham’s own words to see how this mystery unfolded. The story was first told in three published documents. In a tract that was written and distributed by William Branham entitled “Jesus Christ the Same Yesterday, Today, and Forever”, In Julius Stadsklev’s book, “A Prophet Visits South Africa” And in Gordon Lindsay’s book “A Man Sent From God”. None of these reports mention a voice speaking as we just mentioned. In 1951, Bro. Branham told the story of what happened:
"Courier Journal Newspaper" packed an article of it, said, "A mystic star appears over a local Baptist pastor while baptizing in the river." They couldn't make out. Oh, up to probably ten thousand people saw It as It moved down where I was at, and went back up in the skies. Come right where I was and went back up into the sky. Well I... Many asked me what It meant. And I said, "I do not know." MY COMMISSION Los Angeles, CA 51-0505 So in 1951, Bro. Branham said that he didn’t know what the event meant. But by1952 he said that he knew exactly what it meant…
Lee Vayle states in his book “Twentieth Century Prophet” that William Branham was the only one that heard the words that were spoken. And while William Branham indicates that Lee Vayle read of the event in a newspaper, Lee Vayle makes no mention of this in his book. We have also been unable to locate any newspaper stories that relate to this event. In the Book “A Man Sent from God”, Gordon Lindsay mentions a message interpreted in a service by Anna Schrader. He wrote that the gist of this message was “that as John the Baptist was sent as a forerunner of the Lord’s first coming, so was He sending forth this evangelist and others like him to move the people and prepare them for His second coming.” In 1962, William Branham welcomed Sister Schrader over the pulpit, and recalled her interpretation… albeit slightly differently:
So what can we conclude from this? First, William Branham never mentioned a voice referring to “John the Baptist” until 1952, and neither Gordon Lindsay nor Julius Stadsklev refers to the voice in their books. Second, William Branham was the only one who heard the voice. Third, Gordon Lindsay recorded a different interpretation given by Anna Schrader than the one that William Branham remembered years later. It is interesting that Anna Schrader’s interpretation is the first reference to a message like that of John the Baptist’s, but it covers not only William Branham but also the other evangelists associated with the healing revival. Is this the voice that William Branham actually heard? Another problem is that there do not appear to be any newspaper stories in existence that reported on the story told by William Branham. These changes to the story over time are very significant, and don’t agree with the earliest records of the story. Isn’t that a little suspect? |