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	And He showed here, in the beginning, that His perfect will was to create man out of the dust of the earth. But, you see, He permitted sex to be brought in. He never did intend children to be born by sex, but it was permitted, which soon will fade away.<ref>DOES.GOD.CHANGE.HIS.MIND LA.CA 65-0427</ref>		And He showed here, in the beginning, that His perfect will was to create man out of the dust of the earth. But, you see, He permitted sex to be brought in. He never did intend children to be born by sex, but it was permitted, which soon will fade away.<ref>DOES.GOD.CHANGE.HIS.MIND LA.CA 65-0427</ref>

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	William Branham taught that it was not God's perfect will for children to be born on the earth through sex. He believed that God's original plan for children to be created from the dust, just as God created Adam.		William Branham taught that it was not God's perfect will for children to be born on the earth through sex. He believed that God's original plan for children to be created from the dust, just as God created Adam. He believed that we should be creators, like God, and not procreators as God designed us.

	The strange thing is, if this was the case, why did God create men and women with sexual organs that were '''designed''' to produce children?		The strange thing is, if this was the case, why did God create men and women with sexual organs that were '''designed''' to produce children?

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	:''Who can say, “I have made my heart pure; I am clean from my sin”?<ref>The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton: Standard Bible Society, 2001), Pr 20:9.</ref>		:''Who can say, “I have made my heart pure; I am clean from my sin”?<ref>The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton: Standard Bible Society, 2001), Pr 20:9.</ref>

	One is a sinner and lives under the power of sin, in some sense from the first moment of one’s existence. This statement, often falsely understood (in the history of Christian theology also), does not mean either a sin of the mother or of the parents, or a sin the speaker has inherited from ancestors or even from an original couple; nor is it a sin originating from procreation or through ritual impurity.

	This is not an explanation of sin achieved by the human being’s pointing away from himself to others, tracing it to something outside the self. Instead, it touches and ensnares him, as David himself acknowledges in verse 6:

	~~:''“I have sinned.”~~

	Sin is a given, with his being and becoming, from the beginning. The human being knows no time of innocence in which he as yet had no need of God’s care and God’s graciousness, for which he prays in the opening appeal. He acknowledges not only this or that individual fault, not only the transgression of this or that commandment; he understands himself not only as the perpetrator of individual sins — rather as altogether a sinner before God, in the face of every cause–and–effect relationship for which he himself is responsible, and accepts responsibility, from forever, without exception.<ref>Frank-Lothar Hossfeld and Erich Zenger, Psalms 2: a Commentary on Psalms 51-100, ed. Klaus Baltzer, trans. Linda M. Maloney, Hermeneia—a Critical and Historical Commentary on the Bible (Minneapolis, MN: Fortress Press, 2005), 20.</ref>

	When David says, “Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me,” he is not blaming his mother for his sin, of course. The whole tone of the psalm is against any such idea. David is confessing his sin and taking full responsibility for it. He is confessing that there was never a moment in his existence when he was not a sinner. As one of the early commentators says, “He lays on himself the blame of a tainted nature instead of that of a single fault.”<ref>James Montgomery Boice, Psalms 42–106: An Expositional Commentary (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books, 2005), 428.</ref>		When David says, “Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me,” he is not blaming his mother for his sin, of course. The whole tone of the psalm is against any such idea. David is confessing his sin and taking full responsibility for it. He is confessing that there was never a moment in his existence when he was not a sinner. As one of the early commentators says, “He lays on himself the blame of a tainted nature instead of that of a single fault.”<ref>James Montgomery Boice, Psalms 42–106: An Expositional Commentary (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books, 2005), 428.</ref>

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	William Branham taught that it was not God's perfect will for children to be born on the earth through sex. He believed that God's original plan for children to be created from the dust, just as God created Adam.		William Branham taught that it was not God's perfect will for children to be born on the earth through sex. He believed that God's original plan for children to be created from the dust, just as God created Adam.

	The strange thing is, if this was the case, why did God create men and women with sexual organs that were '''designed''' to produce children? ~~Did He '''glue a penis on Adam''' as an after-thought? Were Adam and Eve created with '''parts of their bodies that God never intended them to use'''?~~		The strange thing is, if this was the case, why did God create men and women with sexual organs that were '''designed''' to produce children?

	==Message churches addition to this doctrine==		==Message churches addition to this doctrine==

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	William Branham ~~had this bizarre teaching~~ that God did not intend children to be born by sex.		William Branham taught that God's original plan did not intend children to be born by sex.

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 The strange thing is, if this was the case, why did God create men and women with sexual organs that were '''designed''' to produce children?  Did He '''glue a penis on Adam''' as an after-thought?  Were Adam and Eve created with '''parts of their bodies that God never intended them to use'''?
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-It was clearly God's intent that men and women would produce children together:
+Sin is a given, with his being and becoming, from the beginning.  The human being knows no time of innocence in which he as yet had no need of God’s care and God’s graciousness, for which he prays in the opening appeal. He acknowledges not only this or that individual fault, not only the transgression of this or that commandment; he understands himself not only as the perpetrator of individual sins — rather as altogether a sinner before God, in the face of every cause–and–effect relationship for which he himself is responsible, and accepts responsibility, from forever, without exception.<ref>Frank-Lothar Hossfeld and Erich Zenger, Psalms 2: a Commentary on Psalms 51-100, ed. Klaus Baltzer, trans. Linda M. Maloney, Hermeneia—a Critical and Historical Commentary on the Bible (Minneapolis, MN: Fortress Press, 2005), 20.</ref>
-:''And '''God blessed them'''. And '''God said to them''', “Be fruitful and '''multiply and fill the earth''' and subdue it...<ref>The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton: Standard Bible Society, 2001), Ge 1:28.</ref>
+When David says, “Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me,” he is not blaming his mother for his sin, of course. The whole tone of the psalm is against any such idea. David is confessing his sin and taking full responsibility for it. He is confessing that there was never a moment in his existence when he was not a sinner. As one of the early commentators says, “He lays on himself the blame of a tainted nature instead of that of a single fault.”<ref>James Montgomery Boice, Psalms 42–106: An Expositional Commentary (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books, 2005), 428.</ref>
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	William Branham taught that it was not God's perfect will for children to be born on the earth through sex. He believed that God's original plan for children to be created from the dust, just as God created Adam.		William Branham taught that it was not God's perfect will for children to be born on the earth through sex. He believed that God's original plan for children to be created from the dust, just as God created Adam.

	The strange thing is, if this was the case, why did God create men and women with sexual organs that were '''designed''' to produce children?		The strange thing is, if this was the case, why did God create men and women with sexual organs that were '''designed''' to produce children? Did He '''glue a penis on Adam''' as an after-thought? Were Adam and Eve created with '''parts of their bodies that God never intended them to use'''?

	=What the Bible teaches=		=What the Bible teaches=

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	And '''God blessed them'''. And '''God said to them''', “Be fruitful and '''multiply and fill the earth''' and subdue it...<ref>The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton: Standard Bible Society, 2001), Ge 1:28.</ref>		:''And '''God blessed them'''. And '''God said to them''', “Be fruitful and '''multiply and fill the earth''' and subdue it...<ref>The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton: Standard Bible Society, 2001), Ge 1:28.</ref>

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 But, and if the people won't walk in His perfect will, He does have a permissive will He'll let you walk in. Notice, He permits it, all right, but He will make it work out for His glory, in His perfect will. Now if you'd like...
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But, and if the people won't walk in His perfect will, He does have a permissive will He'll let you walk in. Notice, He permits it, all right, but He will make it work out for His glory, in His perfect will. Now if you'd like...

Just like, in the beginning, '''it was not God's perfect will for children to be born on the earth through sex'''. No, sir. God created man out of the dust of the earth, breathed the breath of life into him, and he become a living soul. He took from that man a helpmate, and made a wife to him. That was God's first and original will. But when sin come in and did the thing that it did, then He permitted man to marry a wife, legally, and have children by her. "Multiply and replenish the earth, then, if that's the way you're going to do it." But, you see, it never was His perfect will.<ref>DOES.GOD.EVER.CHANGE.HIS.MIND.ABOUT.HIS.WORD JEFF.IN 65-0418E</ref>

And He showed here, in the beginning, that His perfect will was to create man out of the dust of the earth. But, you see, He permitted sex to be brought in. He never did intend children to be born by sex, but it was permitted, which soon will fade away.<ref>DOES.GOD.CHANGE.HIS.MIND LA.CA 65-0427</ref>